Nbad i wonder who is way off.
5000$ prizes woud that give donators that woud buy poinst or donators packs that woud cover the cost??
Getting people too sighn up for 30 days donators pack only too colleckt a prize is also not a very good move too get strucktual more money.
If a compagny is loosing money ya have 3 ways at looking at it
1. saving the cost that ya make(less prizes)
2. getting more custumers too buy donators and points packs.
3. Or a combination of those 2
Getting more custumers and selling more too them i think is pretty imposible way site worked last 5 months.
James is working hard too get the site fixed and thats wat his first priority shoud be, then ya wil get more custumers in time and more money.
the only solution i see is reduce the prizes til ya can pay them.
I woud change prizes instead of buing with chips buy them with points. Make points more inportend on site that wil explode the prizes and woud give the buyers who buy points packs more profit on the site.
But again thats only my opinion, i can be way off ofcourse :)
Hans68
Nbad - 17 years ago
AJ1422, First, I didn't say take all prizes away from Free Players, I said take some away. And Second, you are WAY OFF. ----- "Lets face it the people who donate now are not ever going to donate more than they already do. The only way to increase earnings is to increase users." ------ Are you kidding. If James said I will have a $5,000 Prize available, JUST ONE for the first person to purchase it for 200,000,000 Chips, it would Generate QUITE A BIT of spending. People would buy points, just to sell them, buy Donator Packs to Raffle off exclusives. When Exclusives come out, they'd buy the maximum they could, just to raffle them off for less than what we currently sell points for and so on. Third, I'd like to know where you get these 1 out 10 Statistics from? Fourth, "The idea behind Free games is that users do not have to donate in order to achieve." And you still can, but having some Prizes available to everyone, and some prizes only available to Donators is VERY common, and still allows Free Players to achieve.
aj1422 - 17 years ago
The possibility of winning something for free is what draws people to this site to begin with. Making the prizes only for people who purchase points would or could significantly drop the sign up rate. Lets face it the people who donate now are not ever going to donate more than they already do. The only way to increase earnings is to increase users. Now not everyone will donate but statistically at least 1 out of 10 will, probably more.
hans68 - 17 years ago
If ya gone start the site with donators and non donators ya goeing the wrong direcktion. Its a site with custumers and they all are potential donators.
When a site dont lissen too his custumers(donators and non donators) it wil go down eventualy. Ife bought points and been donator but probely wont invest any more money in this site, ive got my reasons for that(wil only go into details with that with James if he wants too know it ).
If the site not bringing enouf money i woud lower the prizes ya can win whit these site 100$ is also a nice price instaed of 250$. But thats my idee i dont play this game for prizes if ya want that there are enouf poker sites that gamble abouth money.
Potential problems in this site are ya get a lot of interest and points for free, if i look at the inflation on this site the last year its huge. When i first had 2.75 mil there where only 55 peeps with 2.75 mil now there are +155 peeps that get 33k everyday for free.
Too stop inflation ya shoud find ways too stop the free chips and points that come every day in the game, give only interest over the bought interest with points and find updates or points only bought ithems that consume the points from site.Btw i woud make prizes page also with points instaed of chips(that makes chips less inportend on site and points more inportend, that woud benifit donators or points buyers).
Thats my opinion, good luck with it :)
Hans
8isenof - 17 years ago
I would say i agree wit this post i don't buy donator packs,only the points i buy.non-donators really don't have a say about this.the people that buy points should also have some sort of benefit to go with their purchase for the 500 point package or higher.an item that isn't part of the game,perhaps this would be an incentive for others to buy more points.
Bubble07 - 17 years ago
An idea could be to give donator's bonus sponsorship instead of 2x points.
preacher228 - 17 years ago
James, I am one of those guys. I love this site, I have always loved the site, since I have been here. I do not wish to get rid of the donator status, I was only give some ideas as to what you could do if you did. I like the way things are now, and I like the changes you have made so far. Bottom line James no matter what you wish to do with your "free browser based poker game" I will always be here as long as you let me. Thank you for the site and for this chance to express my opinion.
aj1422 - 17 years ago
NBad You may as well just make the entire site a subscription based game. The idea behind Free games is that users do not have to donate in order to achieve. It just happens slower than if you did donate. If free users did not have the same chance as donators the site would eventually die as more and more people would leave. Thats the general idea behind the points. free users get 4 free points a day but as a donator buying points you could get them much quicker. as for the prizes everyone should have the same chance no matter what.
aj1422 - 17 years ago
There is no need for 2 form of donation. Everyone who donates to the site should have the same benefits. As it is Donator days seems more important than buying points because it gives special benefits. Money from one source should not be more important than money received from another source thus everyone who donates should receive the same benefits or at least the possibility of receiving those benefits. I do not think PRaffles should be done by point upgrades as that would allow people who do not donate at all get the benefits. It should only be given to those who actually buy a point pack from the site.
Nbad - 17 years ago
James,
I did not comment/vote in the earlier pole so I will here.
I am a HUGE FAN of prizes in sites, and Subscription/Donator Packs. I do the Donator Packs for PRaffles, but the Double Points are a Big bonus. Don't get me wrong, I will gladly pay $10 for Donator Packs even if the Double Points are discontinued in future Site Subscriptions. But, I would like to see some other added benefits to being a Donator. Maybe Donator Only Drops, or more importantly, Donator Only Job Drops (not tokens, but jobs) so that we can pick up jobs a bit easier.
But Most of all, the biggest incentive would be to restructure the Prizes, and that is why I suggest a higher Donator Price.
Currently there is $500 in Prizes/month. I'd be all for $25-$50-$75 to be prizes for anyone donator or not. ($150 Total)
Then, anyone who purchases a Subscription gets their Donator Days with PRaffles, and as long as their Days last, they get a shot at Donator Only Prizes. And due to the extra draw, and higher price, possibly add in another $100 in prizes per month, but $450 total Donator Only Prizes. So $25-$75-$100-$250.
As an added draw to people who buy points only, maybe allow them to be included in some or all of those Prize bidding if they purchased points during the current month, or possibly if they purchased $10 or more, making it equal to a D-Pack.
As far as people who cannot actually pay for Donator Days, you may consider a buy for a friend type deal, possibly where you would even allow Player A to sell Player B 4,000,000 chips for a 1 Month Donator Pack or a Point Pack. If something like this were in place, then people no longer have the excuse that they cannot purchase a Point or D-Pack.
sexbenny - 17 years ago
i don't buy donator packs,only the points i buy.non-donators really don't have a say about this.the people that buy points should also have some sort of benefit to go with their purchase for the 500 point package or higher.an item that isn't part of the game,perhaps this would be an incentive for others to buy more points.
Nbad i wonder who is way off.
5000$ prizes woud that give donators that woud buy poinst or donators packs that woud cover the cost??
Getting people too sighn up for 30 days donators pack only too colleckt a prize is also not a very good move too get strucktual more money.
If a compagny is loosing money ya have 3 ways at looking at it
1. saving the cost that ya make(less prizes)
2. getting more custumers too buy donators and points packs.
3. Or a combination of those 2
Getting more custumers and selling more too them i think is pretty imposible way site worked last 5 months.
James is working hard too get the site fixed and thats wat his first priority shoud be, then ya wil get more custumers in time and more money.
the only solution i see is reduce the prizes til ya can pay them.
I woud change prizes instead of buing with chips buy them with points. Make points more inportend on site that wil explode the prizes and woud give the buyers who buy points packs more profit on the site.
But again thats only my opinion, i can be way off ofcourse :)
Hans68
AJ1422, First, I didn't say take all prizes away from Free Players, I said take some away. And Second, you are WAY OFF. ----- "Lets face it the people who donate now are not ever going to donate more than they already do. The only way to increase earnings is to increase users." ------ Are you kidding. If James said I will have a $5,000 Prize available, JUST ONE for the first person to purchase it for 200,000,000 Chips, it would Generate QUITE A BIT of spending. People would buy points, just to sell them, buy Donator Packs to Raffle off exclusives. When Exclusives come out, they'd buy the maximum they could, just to raffle them off for less than what we currently sell points for and so on. Third, I'd like to know where you get these 1 out 10 Statistics from? Fourth, "The idea behind Free games is that users do not have to donate in order to achieve." And you still can, but having some Prizes available to everyone, and some prizes only available to Donators is VERY common, and still allows Free Players to achieve.
The possibility of winning something for free is what draws people to this site to begin with. Making the prizes only for people who purchase points would or could significantly drop the sign up rate. Lets face it the people who donate now are not ever going to donate more than they already do. The only way to increase earnings is to increase users. Now not everyone will donate but statistically at least 1 out of 10 will, probably more.
If ya gone start the site with donators and non donators ya goeing the wrong direcktion. Its a site with custumers and they all are potential donators.
When a site dont lissen too his custumers(donators and non donators) it wil go down eventualy. Ife bought points and been donator but probely wont invest any more money in this site, ive got my reasons for that(wil only go into details with that with James if he wants too know it ).
If the site not bringing enouf money i woud lower the prizes ya can win whit these site 100$ is also a nice price instaed of 250$. But thats my idee i dont play this game for prizes if ya want that there are enouf poker sites that gamble abouth money.
Potential problems in this site are ya get a lot of interest and points for free, if i look at the inflation on this site the last year its huge. When i first had 2.75 mil there where only 55 peeps with 2.75 mil now there are +155 peeps that get 33k everyday for free.
Too stop inflation ya shoud find ways too stop the free chips and points that come every day in the game, give only interest over the bought interest with points and find updates or points only bought ithems that consume the points from site.Btw i woud make prizes page also with points instaed of chips(that makes chips less inportend on site and points more inportend, that woud benifit donators or points buyers).
Thats my opinion, good luck with it :)
Hans
I would say i agree wit this post i don't buy donator packs,only the points i buy.non-donators really don't have a say about this.the people that buy points should also have some sort of benefit to go with their purchase for the 500 point package or higher.an item that isn't part of the game,perhaps this would be an incentive for others to buy more points.
An idea could be to give donator's bonus sponsorship instead of 2x points.
James, I am one of those guys. I love this site, I have always loved the site, since I have been here. I do not wish to get rid of the donator status, I was only give some ideas as to what you could do if you did. I like the way things are now, and I like the changes you have made so far. Bottom line James no matter what you wish to do with your "free browser based poker game" I will always be here as long as you let me. Thank you for the site and for this chance to express my opinion.
NBad You may as well just make the entire site a subscription based game. The idea behind Free games is that users do not have to donate in order to achieve. It just happens slower than if you did donate. If free users did not have the same chance as donators the site would eventually die as more and more people would leave. Thats the general idea behind the points. free users get 4 free points a day but as a donator buying points you could get them much quicker. as for the prizes everyone should have the same chance no matter what.
There is no need for 2 form of donation. Everyone who donates to the site should have the same benefits. As it is Donator days seems more important than buying points because it gives special benefits. Money from one source should not be more important than money received from another source thus everyone who donates should receive the same benefits or at least the possibility of receiving those benefits. I do not think PRaffles should be done by point upgrades as that would allow people who do not donate at all get the benefits. It should only be given to those who actually buy a point pack from the site.
James,
I did not comment/vote in the earlier pole so I will here.
I am a HUGE FAN of prizes in sites, and Subscription/Donator Packs. I do the Donator Packs for PRaffles, but the Double Points are a Big bonus. Don't get me wrong, I will gladly pay $10 for Donator Packs even if the Double Points are discontinued in future Site Subscriptions. But, I would like to see some other added benefits to being a Donator. Maybe Donator Only Drops, or more importantly, Donator Only Job Drops (not tokens, but jobs) so that we can pick up jobs a bit easier.
But Most of all, the biggest incentive would be to restructure the Prizes, and that is why I suggest a higher Donator Price.
Currently there is $500 in Prizes/month. I'd be all for $25-$50-$75 to be prizes for anyone donator or not. ($150 Total)
Then, anyone who purchases a Subscription gets their Donator Days with PRaffles, and as long as their Days last, they get a shot at Donator Only Prizes. And due to the extra draw, and higher price, possibly add in another $100 in prizes per month, but $450 total Donator Only Prizes. So $25-$75-$100-$250.
As an added draw to people who buy points only, maybe allow them to be included in some or all of those Prize bidding if they purchased points during the current month, or possibly if they purchased $10 or more, making it equal to a D-Pack.
As far as people who cannot actually pay for Donator Days, you may consider a buy for a friend type deal, possibly where you would even allow Player A to sell Player B 4,000,000 chips for a 1 Month Donator Pack or a Point Pack. If something like this were in place, then people no longer have the excuse that they cannot purchase a Point or D-Pack.
i don't buy donator packs,only the points i buy.non-donators really don't have a say about this.the people that buy points should also have some sort of benefit to go with their purchase for the 500 point package or higher.an item that isn't part of the game,perhaps this would be an incentive for others to buy more points.