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No!!! Guam's major economic support is the military, tourism, and the federal government. the Island is too small and has no major corporate or industrial capabilities. It would be foolish to separate from the U.S with all the tensions China is creating in the region. Just look north to the Philippines and Japan and see the that even with their size and power they are experiencing economic struggles. No to Independence remain faithful AMERICANS. COURAGEOUS MEN GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THE FREEDOM Of THE PEOPLE OF GUAM LET IT NOT BE IN VAIN.
We have Federal assistance now and the government is operating yearly on deficit. And no improvement in fixing the problem. Not able to get priorities straight in regards to finances.Do you think we can really be independent?
Be honest with yourself and make a list of negative and positive.
The push for Guam Independence is secretly funded by China. This poll is being voted on from China. Do you notice the 27% yes/ 73% no ratio does not change no matter how many new votes are added? Also do you notice the voting comes in with clockwork regularity, not in random clusters?
All previous polls on independence have never shown more than 6% support for independence. This one is being manipulated from China to show 27% support. The next time this question is polled it will be manipulated to show 50% support then the time after that it will show a majority of support for independence because of the voting being done by hackers in China.
Notice the pro-independence contributors that make grammatical errors. These too are hackers from China. The "Guam Independence" movement serves China's goal of getting the US out of Guam.
Jay Trip there are two Samoas. One is an American territory the other is a "dependency" or "protectorate" of New Zealand. Neither one is as well off as Guam. Both are poor places whose main export is people (seeking better opportunities in other places). Guam has great economic potential because it is under the American flag. That this potential hasn't yet been developed lies in the (Spanish-heritage) culture of Guam and has nothing to do with the US military.
Let Samoa be our example. If they can do it, then why not Guam? The "Organic Act" is the lowest most crippling deal available and is given only when seeking complete power and control over a community.
People who support against Independence are short-sighted thinkers. To rely on a military for economy is the most limited thinking one can do. Guam has so much more potential and people have a hard time seeing it because they are so use to "relying" on the U.S...there comes a time when every child must separate from its mother and grow up. Guam has been a dependent child for too long. Time to grow up Guam, its scary but at least you'll become a stronger independent adult. ;)
islandboz is another China plant. His grammatical errors give this away.
Guam relied on the military in the island for their economy looked at Puerto Rico they are broke.
Guam relied on the military in the island for their economy looked at Puerto Rico they are broke.
Paul Zerzan, you seem like an intelligent man; someone worth conversing with. Why not come to the next talk in October and meet with ppl more researched and intelligent than myself? You'll find that many of your questions will be answered.
I extend that invitation to other naysayers as well....
I think the voting is rigged. It never varies between 27% yes and 73% no. The votes come in for yes and no at the same time. I think China is behind this. Usually no more than 6% vote yes in opinion polls. In this poll the hackers boost it to almost 30%, then in the next poll they will boost it to 50% then in the poll after that boost it to a majority vote. China wants to see the US military out of Guam. They will hack our online polls and bribe people on Guam to boost "independence". We are the target of some serious stuff folks!
Guam does not have a firm industry to support its independence. Guam has no natural resources that could sustain its population. Guam relies heavily on the United States for food & other agricultural products. If Guam becomes independent right now, what's gonna happen? We have to have our own currency, our own military & most of all, support the population financially. Guam needs to be more practical on these terms.
Guam is not a nations... It's a territory wake up. To much American not enough Guamanians Native.
Now it is 27% and I think some pro-independence votes are coming in from China. lakushao is posting from China. Look at the name and the linguistic inconsistencies. Also he refers to the people of Guam in a way that makes it clear he is from the outside. China is behind this.
We have done opinion polls on this question numerous time. The independence number is between 2-6% on a regular basis.
Do you think the very few who persist in pushing independence are actually in the pay of a foreign power? Both China and Russia spend a lot of money hacking into American computers. Why wouldn't they also secretly fund Guam independence? Who else in the world would want to end the America's role as "policeman-on-the-corner" in the western Pacific.
I can't understand why people of GUAM don't want to decide matters for themselves. They'd rather the US congress decide for them. US Congress doesn't care about its own people, and much less the 2nd class citizens of Guam. They care about money more than lives. Wake up and watch a Micheal Moore movie. Any vote on the side of the US is continuing the support of the war machine on GUAM, and might make you deserving of being a target.
Do you think Guam should become an independent nation? No.
We can barely pay out taxes, keep schools maintained, hospital updated, etc.
Pretty sure those who want all these changes are either rich, or don't care about the future generation.
When this does happen watch how many locals leave island.
Wakeup, you are confusing me with another person. I never said such things.
paul zerzan, firstly, even if there were a legal path to total independence from the United States, it would be foolish to think that the United States would allow such a thing to happen. The largest military in the world with bases on the North and South of the island is going to allow such a thing to happen? And you then think you can hold the US military to a ransom where you charge them enough for the land and port. Can you provide any examples of where the US government has agreed to pay annual fees to a host government? I'm not familiar with that model.
It's very sad when we turn our backs against the nation who liberated us from the japanese. Our fathers who fought and lay their lives down thought about the freedom of our children. We are all fruits of the sacrifices of the soldiers both US and local! The day we kick US out is the day I leave for the mainland. Enough said
No, Magnet. Commonwealth was the choice of the people of Guam. It should have been acted upon because it was what the people chose in an exercise in self-determination that followed UN rules. Who deemed it to be no different than a territory? It doesn't matter it was the people's choice. Limiting the choice of the people to only 3 is a violation of UN rules. Not allowing all citizens to vote is a violation of UN rules. People like you are the ones denying Guam's right to self-determination. And please, have the guts to use your real name. Thank you.
Chamowlie & Wakeup: if by now you are still unable to conceptualize a future without the US, then you have either not been paying attention to recent media regarding self-determination, or your minds are too affected by colonization.
You are colonized.
Every waking breath you've taken, every thought you've ever conjured, every dream you've ever roused, have all been affected by colonization.
We can help you.
There is a future for us without US (if we choose).
Think of the wealth that could be gained through independence by collecting rents and fees for US bases, our airspace, our port, etc.
Our current models of reliance on federal assistance are only tied to the systems that maintain it, and would not be the case if we gained Independence.
There is a future for us.
Territory status was never meant to be permanent.
There is a future.
If you're ready to wake up, there are many of us who can help you. All you need to do is ask....
Paul Zerzan: The reason Commonwealth is no longer an option is because it was deemed no different than a territory. And the reason the 1982 vote was never acted upon is because Independence is the only political status option where the US is bound by international law to act upon. Everything else just falls by the wayside.
If you're ready to wake up, there are many of us who can help you.
Right now, we're sitting on the sweetest spot possible on the planet - All rights and privileges of US citizens, all income taxes stay here for the use by the legislature, a secure defense (THAAD anyone?? How about the Navy presence and the Andersen AFB facility to defend us and the US? ), grants, UOG funding, etc. Some split artists want us to go independent so they can be, as so aptly put, "The Mugabe of the Pacific." This independence movement is nothing less than a blatant attempt to play all Guamanians as suckers so they can be the big fish in a little pond as opposed to being blowhard split artists. No sale.
Take a good look, review, and analyze what has happened to the former territories of Palau, Solomon Islands, Chuuk, Yap, Samoa, etc. They've been reduced to almost equally as third-world countries. Also, Guam's very own elected public auditor, Flores-Brooks, recently pointed out straight forward facts: Guam is more than 50 % dependent on the U.S. Mainland's financial contributions (whether by obligation or courtesy)...BIG THANK YOU UNCLE SAM!!! Ask yourself, what would happen if all that funding was suddenly removed? Who will take care of the people of Guam then? Everyone should take a VERY BIG LOOK at who the founders are who have started this movement to becoming an island nation. If anything, Guam would most benefit if it became a state. Ai a day! A dog chasing its tail!!!
Even with all the financial contribution of the US, Guam is severely challenged to operate as a first world economy. The infrastructure including roads, power generation and medical facilities are crumbling. With no manufacturing, no export of goods, Guam is too reliant on tourism with minimum wage jobs to maintain its standard of living without US funding. What is it that Guam wants to achieve by independence? Your role model for independence is what, Palau, Yap, Chuuk, Solomon Islands, Samoa, the Philippines? You want to go from the second highest standard of living in Oceana to a 3rd world status?
The Japanese should have done a better job.
The U.S. doesn't give us any electoral college vote towards voting for the President. The U.S. doesn't give us a vote in either the Senate or the House of Representative. Since the President picks the Supreme court justice and Congress ratifies it, we have no say with the Supreme Court, too. Unless the U.S. includes us as equals, Independence is the route we need to take. Let's face it. Guam's being used for its strategic location. Time to grow up.
Of course we should become independent. I don't know whether now is the time, though. Our biggest challenge is having a source of money that will maintain our level of living standard... that's the hard part... and we have to ask ourselves, whether we Chamorro's are mature enough and can we not develop any bad habits or corruption so that we can go that route. We have a lot of bad and failed attempts around us to learn from. I think while we're an unincorporated territory, our people need to develop a sustainable source of income while we have a safety net. That's the hard part. But independence, OF COURSE! If the 13 colonies did it, so can we. It'll just be a lot harder.,
We need to ask ourselves, "Can we be independent? Are we capable? Are we managing our resources wisely? Doing away with Federal Governments assistance now can we survive? Are we able to help the needy and the helpless without the financial aid we get from the Federal Government?
Ask ourselves all questions that concerns Guam, mark the we can and we cannot do without. Decide not just for the present but we need to think about our childrens future.
Independence to commit corruption without intervention from USA? The only reason corruption in Guam is ONLY 75% bad is because it's a U.S. territory.
The question should be: "Do you think Guam should become a Commonwealth?". In the 1982 plebiscite on self-determination the majority of voters chose Commonwealth. The choices on self-determination cannot be limited to only 3. The 1960 UN resolution that listed 3 choices was amended by Resolution 2625 (xxv) adopted in October 1970, which states that the right to self-determination also can be implemented by "any political status freely determined by a people."
This means the people have a right to vote on a number of possibilities, including "status quo," or "commonwealth".
In fact a “self-determination” plebiscite was held in 1982 and the people of Guam chose by majority vote the status of Commonwealth. This plebiscite met U.N. criteria as a legitimate exercise in self-determination. Why was this choice never implemented?
Enough with the "self-determination" lies and monkey business by a chosen few whose hidden agenda is to make themselves a "Mugabe of the Pacific".