Why not ride sharing companies should pay gst and income tax in Canada why taxi companies have to follow all the rules and regulations and ride is taxi service why double standard.
Parmar - 5 years ago
Absolutely backround checks proper insurance and with class 4 we get experience drivers that matters your life is some other driver hand at least you know he or she driving for few years standard r already set we shouldn’t change those rules and regulations if after 6 months some other company come up with different idea like Uber or Lyft we r back at same problem...
Gant - 5 years ago
Certainly, ride-sharing drivers should have a valid Class 4 license, but in the end, it's just putting lipstick on a pig:
"Uber and Lyft drivers in the US make a median profit of as little as $8.55 per hour before taxes, according to a new report that suggests a majority of ride-share workers make below minimum wage and that some actually lose money." The Guardian, 01/03/2018
"Con artists are fleecing Uber drivers And the ride-hailing company knows all about it." CNET, 28/06/2018
"Apparently the scam has hit thousands of ride-hail drivers, and millions of dollars have been diverted from their accounts, according to a lawsuit brought by the US Attorney's Office in New York's federal court last November...."
"More people are on the roads driving for Uber and Lyft, and with 'the rapid growth in the number of drivers has come a steady decline in average monthly earnings,' says J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. Institute. Earnings for those in the online transportation field fell 53% between 2013 and 2017, Chase says, averaging $783 per month in 2017 versus $1,469 in 2013." CNBC 26/09/2018
And in related news, GM is laying off 14,000 Canadian and US workers to "prepare the company for a future of driverless and electric vehicles."
How does that connect to ride-sharing? Let's just say that driving for a ride-sharing app company might not be an actual 'job' for much longer....
"Last year, GM President Dan Ammann said his company makes an average of $30,000 for each car it builds, between the sales price and maintenance. By selling rides in driverless cars, he said GM could make hundreds of thousands of dollars per car. When CNN Business asked Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi for his prediction 10 years in the future, he responded, 'Hopefully, you won't own a car.' He sees Uber, not GM, as the company that will be moving people." CNN, 27/11/2018
"Uber plans to buy 24,000 autonomous Volvo SUVs in race for driverless future. ‘It only becomes a commercial business when you can remove the vehicle operator from the equation,’ says ride-hailing firm battling Lyft and Waymo." The Guardian, 20/11/2017
Sam - 5 years ago
I’m not going to risk my life with ANY driver who has only had their drivers license for a month. Vancouver has enough lousy experienced drivers. Class 4 should be a minimum requirement.
Sam - 5 years ago
Here are Driver Licence requirement in other Provinces in Canada
Montreal uber licence requirement
Class 4C driver's licence
https://www.uber.com/en-CA/drive/montreal/get-a-license/
Alberta uber licence requirement
Make sure you're road-ready: Getting your Class 4 licence
https://www.uber.com/en-CA/drive/calgary/get-started/licensing-process/
Class 1, 2 or 4 driver licences can be obtained at a Registry Agent in Alberta. A knowledge and road test are required, in addition to a medical fitness check. A Class 5 operator's licence is not sufficient for transportation network drivers. http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/rideforhire.htm
Chris - 5 years ago
Yes, they absolutely should have a class 4 licence. Taxi drivers are required to have one. Its essentially the same thing. Anyone who transports the public should take another road test to prove competence. No idea how uber is getting away with this in other cities
Elaine Anderson - 5 years ago
if I were that bar worker or patron trying to get home at 2:00am or later, if I were that millenial wanting a ride to meet up with friends after work, if I were a parent that has to pick up their child at daycare or event, if I were to arrive at the airport and need a ride to my hotel or other destination, if I were a business person going to a meeting, if I were that elderly or disabled person with a walker or, God forbid, a wheelchair or a service dog...or any other person seeking to pay a fare for a ride to their destination, there are some basic expectations that can't be met by someone with a car just putting their name into an app and then being ready to work under the auspices of a ride sharing company, however well known.
1) are they a known criminal who may, by their acts or ommisions, put my life in danger?
2) if there should be an accident, their fault or not, does the driver have adequate insurance to compensate me or my family for serious injuries requiring lifelong care or even death?
3) does this driver even know where they are going in a direct and safe manner? Will they drive for 40 minutes on a trip that should take only 14 minutes if they knew where they were going and there were no road closures or weather issues? Do they have basic first aid training? Do they take credit cards or debit cards, do they know how to operate the machine, do they have paper forms for credit cards if their machine doesn't work? Do they have someone to call to assist if their car breaks down so my ride can continue in a timely manner? Do they understand the Human Rights Code and that they are required to comply with it... all of it? Will they comply with some kind of pricing matrix so the passenger isn't defrauded or gouged? Is there somewhere to complain to if something goes wrong? Is there a clear posting of the driver's identity which confirms their right to operate? Is there any assurance that their vehicle is safe to operate, particularly in difficult driving conditions? Those are a lot of questions! The only way to get some assurances is to have:
1) a Criminal Record check documented and filed with some governing authority;
2) a type of insurance the applies when they are driving their vehicle for compensation (fare) that covers all eventualities;
3) some sort of licensing that assures everyone that this driver understands and has complied with requirements including but not limited to all of 3) above;
Then, and only then, should they be able under the ride-sharing app to pick up fares.
If you, like me, are starting to think that there are already all the rules required to meet the above criteria, and they sound just like taxis...you may be right! If there are issues with the taxis in the major centres, then fix them, make sure that the taxi industry isn't so closed to competition that they balk at there being enough drivers to meet the communities needs at the times they are needed, that the industry is open to more "freelancers" who meet all the required standards; loosen up the limits to the numbers of licensed drivers so the fluctuating needs can be met as needed, not just under crisis situations like after the bars or performance venues close, the airports or cruise ships start to complain. The Lower Mainland and the Capital Region in Victoria (and other cities) have rapidly increasing populations who are encouraged not to have the now obligatory 1.5 vehicles per adult in their driveway, and perhaps no vehicles at all in the population centres. There has to be transportation alternatives as buses aren't always appropriate or preferred and can't do it all anyway unless all routes are running frequently 24/7. Do it NOW!
Dean - 5 years ago
All Ride-Share companies should require their drivers (representatives) to obtain and have a valid class 4 commercial driving license. Ride-share companies are a taxi service, only structured a little differently. A criminal record background check should be mandatory and appropriate insurance should be held. We would expect nothing less from any taxi service operating in the Western World.
Robert - 5 years ago
Only in BC - really, a class 4 license — Let’s take 4 years to study ridesharing and then make it fail here!! Why is it that BC constantly shoots itself in the foot on these things... or is everyone so happy with ICBC as well??
Bradley - 5 years ago
Do you work for the NDP now? What’s with the totally misleading pull wording? It’s written like our electoral reform referendum.
Commercial licenses and criminal record checks are two completely different things. All Uber and all Lyft drivers everywhere have criminal record checks. Vancouver is the only city that would be required to have commercial drivers licenses. So your ride here will wind up being twice as hard to find and cost twice as much is everywhere else, cause the provincial government wants to put his fingers in your pie.
Instead of explaining to people why that’s horrible idea, you make it sound like record checks and Calss 4 are hand-in-hand, clearly to get a certain result in your poll.
Of course people would vote for records checks, so your results make it sound like BC wants them to have commercial drivers licenses, when you’re not even portraying the facts properly. Hack journalism.
Mike M - 5 years ago
What’s the difference between driving a taxi ( or ride share ) and driving around your kids team in your mini van ? It’s just a money grab by the government. Commercial insurance? Yes. Background checks ? Absolutely. Class 4 licence ? No.
Brian - 5 years ago
Can someone PLEASE explain to the public why ASIAN only ride share is operating quite well thank you in Richmond without any apparent law enforcement crackdown or interference with these illegal so called companies...... or would that be racist ????
Erik - 5 years ago
I believe it’s important that require a valid class 4 as it’s a professional service along with criminal back ground checks and commercial insurance the same as all people or business providing services
Why not ride sharing companies should pay gst and income tax in Canada why taxi companies have to follow all the rules and regulations and ride is taxi service why double standard.
Absolutely backround checks proper insurance and with class 4 we get experience drivers that matters your life is some other driver hand at least you know he or she driving for few years standard r already set we shouldn’t change those rules and regulations if after 6 months some other company come up with different idea like Uber or Lyft we r back at same problem...
Certainly, ride-sharing drivers should have a valid Class 4 license, but in the end, it's just putting lipstick on a pig:
"Uber and Lyft drivers in the US make a median profit of as little as $8.55 per hour before taxes, according to a new report that suggests a majority of ride-share workers make below minimum wage and that some actually lose money." The Guardian, 01/03/2018
"Con artists are fleecing Uber drivers And the ride-hailing company knows all about it." CNET, 28/06/2018
"Apparently the scam has hit thousands of ride-hail drivers, and millions of dollars have been diverted from their accounts, according to a lawsuit brought by the US Attorney's Office in New York's federal court last November...."
"More people are on the roads driving for Uber and Lyft, and with 'the rapid growth in the number of drivers has come a steady decline in average monthly earnings,' says J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. Institute. Earnings for those in the online transportation field fell 53% between 2013 and 2017, Chase says, averaging $783 per month in 2017 versus $1,469 in 2013." CNBC 26/09/2018
And in related news, GM is laying off 14,000 Canadian and US workers to "prepare the company for a future of driverless and electric vehicles."
How does that connect to ride-sharing? Let's just say that driving for a ride-sharing app company might not be an actual 'job' for much longer....
"Last year, GM President Dan Ammann said his company makes an average of $30,000 for each car it builds, between the sales price and maintenance. By selling rides in driverless cars, he said GM could make hundreds of thousands of dollars per car. When CNN Business asked Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi for his prediction 10 years in the future, he responded, 'Hopefully, you won't own a car.' He sees Uber, not GM, as the company that will be moving people." CNN, 27/11/2018
"Uber plans to buy 24,000 autonomous Volvo SUVs in race for driverless future. ‘It only becomes a commercial business when you can remove the vehicle operator from the equation,’ says ride-hailing firm battling Lyft and Waymo." The Guardian, 20/11/2017
I’m not going to risk my life with ANY driver who has only had their drivers license for a month. Vancouver has enough lousy experienced drivers. Class 4 should be a minimum requirement.
Here are Driver Licence requirement in other Provinces in Canada
Montreal uber licence requirement
Class 4C driver's licence
https://www.uber.com/en-CA/drive/montreal/get-a-license/
Alberta uber licence requirement
Make sure you're road-ready: Getting your Class 4 licence
https://www.uber.com/en-CA/drive/calgary/get-started/licensing-process/
Class 1, 2 or 4 driver licences can be obtained at a Registry Agent in Alberta. A knowledge and road test are required, in addition to a medical fitness check. A Class 5 operator's licence is not sufficient for transportation network drivers. http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/rideforhire.htm
Yes, they absolutely should have a class 4 licence. Taxi drivers are required to have one. Its essentially the same thing. Anyone who transports the public should take another road test to prove competence. No idea how uber is getting away with this in other cities
if I were that bar worker or patron trying to get home at 2:00am or later, if I were that millenial wanting a ride to meet up with friends after work, if I were a parent that has to pick up their child at daycare or event, if I were to arrive at the airport and need a ride to my hotel or other destination, if I were a business person going to a meeting, if I were that elderly or disabled person with a walker or, God forbid, a wheelchair or a service dog...or any other person seeking to pay a fare for a ride to their destination, there are some basic expectations that can't be met by someone with a car just putting their name into an app and then being ready to work under the auspices of a ride sharing company, however well known.
1) are they a known criminal who may, by their acts or ommisions, put my life in danger?
2) if there should be an accident, their fault or not, does the driver have adequate insurance to compensate me or my family for serious injuries requiring lifelong care or even death?
3) does this driver even know where they are going in a direct and safe manner? Will they drive for 40 minutes on a trip that should take only 14 minutes if they knew where they were going and there were no road closures or weather issues? Do they have basic first aid training? Do they take credit cards or debit cards, do they know how to operate the machine, do they have paper forms for credit cards if their machine doesn't work? Do they have someone to call to assist if their car breaks down so my ride can continue in a timely manner? Do they understand the Human Rights Code and that they are required to comply with it... all of it? Will they comply with some kind of pricing matrix so the passenger isn't defrauded or gouged? Is there somewhere to complain to if something goes wrong? Is there a clear posting of the driver's identity which confirms their right to operate? Is there any assurance that their vehicle is safe to operate, particularly in difficult driving conditions? Those are a lot of questions! The only way to get some assurances is to have:
1) a Criminal Record check documented and filed with some governing authority;
2) a type of insurance the applies when they are driving their vehicle for compensation (fare) that covers all eventualities;
3) some sort of licensing that assures everyone that this driver understands and has complied with requirements including but not limited to all of 3) above;
Then, and only then, should they be able under the ride-sharing app to pick up fares.
If you, like me, are starting to think that there are already all the rules required to meet the above criteria, and they sound just like taxis...you may be right! If there are issues with the taxis in the major centres, then fix them, make sure that the taxi industry isn't so closed to competition that they balk at there being enough drivers to meet the communities needs at the times they are needed, that the industry is open to more "freelancers" who meet all the required standards; loosen up the limits to the numbers of licensed drivers so the fluctuating needs can be met as needed, not just under crisis situations like after the bars or performance venues close, the airports or cruise ships start to complain. The Lower Mainland and the Capital Region in Victoria (and other cities) have rapidly increasing populations who are encouraged not to have the now obligatory 1.5 vehicles per adult in their driveway, and perhaps no vehicles at all in the population centres. There has to be transportation alternatives as buses aren't always appropriate or preferred and can't do it all anyway unless all routes are running frequently 24/7. Do it NOW!
All Ride-Share companies should require their drivers (representatives) to obtain and have a valid class 4 commercial driving license. Ride-share companies are a taxi service, only structured a little differently. A criminal record background check should be mandatory and appropriate insurance should be held. We would expect nothing less from any taxi service operating in the Western World.
Only in BC - really, a class 4 license — Let’s take 4 years to study ridesharing and then make it fail here!! Why is it that BC constantly shoots itself in the foot on these things... or is everyone so happy with ICBC as well??
Do you work for the NDP now? What’s with the totally misleading pull wording? It’s written like our electoral reform referendum.
Commercial licenses and criminal record checks are two completely different things. All Uber and all Lyft drivers everywhere have criminal record checks. Vancouver is the only city that would be required to have commercial drivers licenses. So your ride here will wind up being twice as hard to find and cost twice as much is everywhere else, cause the provincial government wants to put his fingers in your pie.
Instead of explaining to people why that’s horrible idea, you make it sound like record checks and Calss 4 are hand-in-hand, clearly to get a certain result in your poll.
Of course people would vote for records checks, so your results make it sound like BC wants them to have commercial drivers licenses, when you’re not even portraying the facts properly. Hack journalism.
What’s the difference between driving a taxi ( or ride share ) and driving around your kids team in your mini van ? It’s just a money grab by the government. Commercial insurance? Yes. Background checks ? Absolutely. Class 4 licence ? No.
Can someone PLEASE explain to the public why ASIAN only ride share is operating quite well thank you in Richmond without any apparent law enforcement crackdown or interference with these illegal so called companies...... or would that be racist ????
I believe it’s important that require a valid class 4 as it’s a professional service along with criminal back ground checks and commercial insurance the same as all people or business providing services