My problem is the trk payment they don't care if we lost half the paycheck from lost income. Including being in the shop for 6 month getting the EPA system rebuilt. That cost 30,thousands where do these people think we have so much money we can just take out of the pocket to pay for the thousands percent mark up. A gallon of oil now is 32.99 a gallon. Oil change was 259.99. Now can't get one under 500.00 .what gives
Dave Calahan - 5 years ago
The entire industry has to wake up and smell the coffee! ELD's have effected every body in the chain of custody. Dispatchers, drivers, shippers and receivers are all now working on the same "clock". Apparently, only the drivers are held responsible for late pick-ups or deliveries. Additionally, detention time appears to be a thing of the past as well. In many cases, carriers charge their shippers and receivers for detention time under the guise of "lost revenue to the truck". They don't give a crap about the lost revenue of the driver who is forced to spend 2 1/2 days on a 600 mile load, due to being held up at the shipper, then held up at the receiver because the delivery is late; then ends up late for the scheduled back-haul because everyone else held him up. All because the dispatcher did not negotiate realistic pick-up and delivery times on the 1st load. Furthermore, upon return to the yard, the driver is admonished because his truck did not generate the expected weekly revenue. Meanwhile the 6 hours of detention time generated by unrealistic pick-up and delivery times and slow loading and unloading is never paid to the driver, even though the carrier will bill both the shipper and receiver for the "lost revenue" of the company truck, and to hell with the driver!
Everybody in the process needs to "own" their part of the process and respect the other parts as well.
Randy Stone - 5 years ago
There should be more attention at all trucking SCHOOLS, FVTC IN APPLETON WISCONSIN ,FOLLOWS AND IS VERY INSTITUTIONAL ON FOLLOWING ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS ON HOURS OF SERVICE AS WELL AS TEACHING TRIP PLANNING . As well as reading your Bill's before signing.More trucking schools would be put out of business if they followed a true trucking curriculum. Just because some schools dont give you a Exam on each phase of the truckers inspections. State and federal laws. This career as an over the the road truck driver is not for your guides ,its a respected field . I feel OWNER OPERATORS SHOULD HAVE MORE TO SAY SINCE THEY ARE THE TRUE TRUCKERS OF AMERICA . You can change laws all you want,but beating up on the Business individuals like owner operators is crazy, they have time lines to follow to move freight. Not like BIG COMPANIES, Who can just have a jump seat driver continue moving that freight to its destination. Their should be larger consequences for individuals who cause accidents by cutting off truckers ,they dont know what your hauling they feel or think you can stop on a dime. Traffic would move faster if everyone had to account for their time as well ,people who do not trip plan from their house and are doing 90 mph to get to work.Maybe they should have LED INSTALLED IN THEIR VEHICLES AS WELL.
Clinton Epperly - 5 years ago
Anytime i run otr, i operate sleeper provision. When used properly, this permits for up to 13.5 hours of driving in a 24 hour period. Quite efficient way for a solo driver to operate. Most "big box" shippers/receivers have zero concern for driver hours, and often will hold some of us many hours, even days before doing their jobs. Is it to hard to ask shippers and receivers to have flexibility in some warehouse operations, since we are all in this together? I work for a company that is good about not forcing h.o.s. violations, giving a lot of decision ability to drivers, so long as the driver does not make pick-up or delivery late. My pressure is from myself, and from the outside brokers, exasperated by the shipper/receiver lack of concern for driver hours.
Patrick Lund - 5 years ago
I have been out here 30 years. Back when it was 10hr drive 8 hour sleeper 24 hr to do it. I was well rested I was able to stop and avoid Chicago traffic Los Angles traffic. Felt tired took a nap. Now I find myself pushing the pedal harder what took 24 hours is now 34 48 hours. 14 hour clock and 30 minute break need to go we are on ELDs let’s us run our trucks the safe way not the suit and tie way!
Chuck Bosworth - 5 years ago
Miss use of the personal conveyance rule is my company’s biggest thing,100 miles from home and use the personal conveyance to come home.I don’t think that this is legal the way that I read it but boss says that it is
Chuck Bosworth - 5 years ago
Miss use of the personal conveyance rule is my company’s biggest thing,100 miles from home and use the personal conveyance to come home.I don’t think that this is legal the way that I read it but boss says that it is
Duong nguyen - 5 years ago
A law designed to supposedly save lives, is very short sighted and will hasten the demise of the human species with even higher green house emissions long term because we are all speeding at 65+mph.
Singh - 5 years ago
Its the shipper and recievers that also need to be regulated for example this week on monday i checked in for pickup 1:40pm i had appointment for 3:42pm i left the shipper at 11: 45pm waisted my whole day was spose to deliver the load that day before 6pm had to wait until next day 10am after delivery went bzck to thd same shipper for another pick up check in 12:20 pm was told we are slow today will get you loaded fast appointment was at 1:07pm left the shipper at 5pm so they should be regulated before the drivers
Rudy Yakym, Jr. - 5 years ago
While not pressured by company or customers to violate HOS, because of the rigidity I am operating under a lot more stress than ever before. Also, I am driving a lot faster than I used to drive.
Before the ELD mandate, I would usually drive a maximum of 60 to 62 mph. No I almost always run between 70 and 72 mph. Missing a drop at the end of the day by 15 minutes can cascade into a whole day lost over runs into the weekend.
Every week I run into situations that a little bit of flexibility would really help. I would love to see and I’m hoping against hope that they eliminate the 70 our rule. I have had many situations where I was less than two hours from home and ran out of the 70 hours. How ridiculous is that I have to set aside for 34 hours just so I could drive the last two hours home.
I hate living under regulations put together by people who never drove anything bigger or faster than the desk that they sent in so removed and remote from the real world that we live in out here.
Jim Preston - 5 years ago
Since the people who make these laws are so stringent there shouldn't be allowed to make a law until they've been in the driver seat. Now I'm running a 1 ton and have to quit I'm losing too much money.
Kelly - 5 years ago
Agree with most on shippers/receivers at times, and the HOS not the ELD per say. Were the the hours flexible like split sleeper and extend clock as in past, very helpful. The PC ability is a big help when ran out of hours at a receiver mainly for me. Do a lot of ltl to grocers with spread out appts, with the last being there past my 14 at times. Yes, the pay is an issue on detention. We get penalized or have to be a work in for incidents beyond our control when held up, most times for me another receiver is slow or really busy. But be early or just in time, then they spend hours unloading and don't want to pay. It's the carriers that don't stand up for the driver, not all but most. With ELDs there's no disputing when a driver arrived, it's recorded. If it's before the appt or right on time, then in two hours the detention begins, and it's recorded we're there. Be safe drivers, you people work some of the longest hours, at all hours in this world.
Rodney - 5 years ago
My old company used to tell me all the time log out or don’t log in yet use pc to go 500 miles for p/u and with you logging legal your not going to make money here when I was a stickler on being legal came up with an off the wall reason to fire me
Porter Galante - 5 years ago
shippers and receivers are the problem!! they get paid by the hour. they have absolutely no regard for my clock still running. however I work for an excellent company, Crete Carrier. if I run out of time at a shipper and receiver. I am able to use personal conveyance to get to a safe place to park. that being said, if we were paid by the hour when we bump a dock and it was charged to the shipper or receiver the delay time would go away. I have been in this industry for 28 years. I'm 60 years old and looking forward to retirement. as younger man I was go go go push push push. not anymore. go with the flow there are some things you cannot change.
Ricardo Worthen - 5 years ago
The problem is shippers and receivers when I broke that rule it was for the money every thing we do out here is about the money and the eld has cut into my money out here on the road so I'm going local to get paid hourly
Eric - 5 years ago
I just wish there would be more effort for the government to regulate the real problem , the shippers and receivers!!!! Let's face it why are we held hostage while they break down the pallets restack them, them put them away. Listen I signed for 18 skids you took off 18 skids sign my paperwork and let me be on my way!!! If you want to waist my time then pay me for it. there is no good reason why we have to sit at one of these big DC's waiting 4 hours to unload 3 pallets. But dam you if your 45 mins late to the appointment because of traffic or bad weather. Any way there my two cents
MR Phillips - 5 years ago
The pressure I feel from the ELD is not from management, the pressure I feel is from me the driver...
Paul Bazydlo - 5 years ago
I have long term relationships with the brokers and customers I deal with. They know better than to even ask me to run something against the HOS regulations. In fact most even insist that I don't run in violation. They know if something were to happen, they too could face legal repercussion. We have a mutual respect for each other, that has been built over a number of years.
What I have seen since the ELD mandate is more speeding and reckless driving in construction zones and truck stop parking lots. Seems many are now more in a hurry to beat the clock. As the ELD mandate coupled with the ridiculous HOS regulations leave no room for one to use their own good judgement and common sense.
HOS regulations were initially meant to prevent coercion of an employee by their employer. Somehow the HOS regulations have been allowed to be used as a revenue source by law enforcement. Especially against those not subject to any such coercions as the regulations were originally meant to curtail, that being the single truck Independent. Not really sure how in the "Land of the Free" an unelected bureaucrat is allowed to dictate how I run my business. How is it that they think they know better than myself what is safe or what isn't at any given moment in time? Especially when they have shown time and again their lack of understanding of the industry they are charged with regulating. If I harm someone through my actions it should be up to a jury of my peers to decide. It should not be left to unelected bureaucrats subject to coercion by the large motor carriers to "Level a Playing Field".
Ives St. John - 5 years ago
I agree with Timothy Deschene. The receivers, shippers and brokers are the problem. People argue that you need better negotiating skills with the brokers but when you have brokers undercutting each other for business and on top of that taking a large cut for themselves, the trucker is left with nothing. There is no negotiating. You either sit for the miraculous load or take the shit load because you have to pay bills. Shippers and receivers can charge you whatever they want for being late but good luck getting paid detention for your hours wasted in their warehouses.
Lee E Tibbetts - 5 years ago
How does one get pressured to violate HOS with an ELD?
Timothy Deschene - 5 years ago
Yes these shippers and recievers have been the biggest problem since the beginning but nobody never says a word to them. All they want is to attack and stick it to the drivers, this is why the drivers have left the industry as they have gotten tired of being treated like shit. Leave the drivers alone and go get the shippers and recievers and brokers.
Wilbur N Plank - 5 years ago
The grocery warehouses are definitely worse! They want to hold you at the dock for 5 or more hours and then wonder why you are running behind!
My problem is the trk payment they don't care if we lost half the paycheck from lost income. Including being in the shop for 6 month getting the EPA system rebuilt. That cost 30,thousands where do these people think we have so much money we can just take out of the pocket to pay for the thousands percent mark up. A gallon of oil now is 32.99 a gallon. Oil change was 259.99. Now can't get one under 500.00 .what gives
The entire industry has to wake up and smell the coffee! ELD's have effected every body in the chain of custody. Dispatchers, drivers, shippers and receivers are all now working on the same "clock". Apparently, only the drivers are held responsible for late pick-ups or deliveries. Additionally, detention time appears to be a thing of the past as well. In many cases, carriers charge their shippers and receivers for detention time under the guise of "lost revenue to the truck". They don't give a crap about the lost revenue of the driver who is forced to spend 2 1/2 days on a 600 mile load, due to being held up at the shipper, then held up at the receiver because the delivery is late; then ends up late for the scheduled back-haul because everyone else held him up. All because the dispatcher did not negotiate realistic pick-up and delivery times on the 1st load. Furthermore, upon return to the yard, the driver is admonished because his truck did not generate the expected weekly revenue. Meanwhile the 6 hours of detention time generated by unrealistic pick-up and delivery times and slow loading and unloading is never paid to the driver, even though the carrier will bill both the shipper and receiver for the "lost revenue" of the company truck, and to hell with the driver!
Everybody in the process needs to "own" their part of the process and respect the other parts as well.
There should be more attention at all trucking SCHOOLS, FVTC IN APPLETON WISCONSIN ,FOLLOWS AND IS VERY INSTITUTIONAL ON FOLLOWING ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS ON HOURS OF SERVICE AS WELL AS TEACHING TRIP PLANNING . As well as reading your Bill's before signing.More trucking schools would be put out of business if they followed a true trucking curriculum. Just because some schools dont give you a Exam on each phase of the truckers inspections. State and federal laws. This career as an over the the road truck driver is not for your guides ,its a respected field . I feel OWNER OPERATORS SHOULD HAVE MORE TO SAY SINCE THEY ARE THE TRUE TRUCKERS OF AMERICA . You can change laws all you want,but beating up on the Business individuals like owner operators is crazy, they have time lines to follow to move freight. Not like BIG COMPANIES, Who can just have a jump seat driver continue moving that freight to its destination. Their should be larger consequences for individuals who cause accidents by cutting off truckers ,they dont know what your hauling they feel or think you can stop on a dime. Traffic would move faster if everyone had to account for their time as well ,people who do not trip plan from their house and are doing 90 mph to get to work.Maybe they should have LED INSTALLED IN THEIR VEHICLES AS WELL.
Anytime i run otr, i operate sleeper provision. When used properly, this permits for up to 13.5 hours of driving in a 24 hour period. Quite efficient way for a solo driver to operate. Most "big box" shippers/receivers have zero concern for driver hours, and often will hold some of us many hours, even days before doing their jobs. Is it to hard to ask shippers and receivers to have flexibility in some warehouse operations, since we are all in this together? I work for a company that is good about not forcing h.o.s. violations, giving a lot of decision ability to drivers, so long as the driver does not make pick-up or delivery late. My pressure is from myself, and from the outside brokers, exasperated by the shipper/receiver lack of concern for driver hours.
I have been out here 30 years. Back when it was 10hr drive 8 hour sleeper 24 hr to do it. I was well rested I was able to stop and avoid Chicago traffic Los Angles traffic. Felt tired took a nap. Now I find myself pushing the pedal harder what took 24 hours is now 34 48 hours. 14 hour clock and 30 minute break need to go we are on ELDs let’s us run our trucks the safe way not the suit and tie way!
Miss use of the personal conveyance rule is my company’s biggest thing,100 miles from home and use the personal conveyance to come home.I don’t think that this is legal the way that I read it but boss says that it is
Miss use of the personal conveyance rule is my company’s biggest thing,100 miles from home and use the personal conveyance to come home.I don’t think that this is legal the way that I read it but boss says that it is
A law designed to supposedly save lives, is very short sighted and will hasten the demise of the human species with even higher green house emissions long term because we are all speeding at 65+mph.
Its the shipper and recievers that also need to be regulated for example this week on monday i checked in for pickup 1:40pm i had appointment for 3:42pm i left the shipper at 11: 45pm waisted my whole day was spose to deliver the load that day before 6pm had to wait until next day 10am after delivery went bzck to thd same shipper for another pick up check in 12:20 pm was told we are slow today will get you loaded fast appointment was at 1:07pm left the shipper at 5pm so they should be regulated before the drivers
While not pressured by company or customers to violate HOS, because of the rigidity I am operating under a lot more stress than ever before. Also, I am driving a lot faster than I used to drive.
Before the ELD mandate, I would usually drive a maximum of 60 to 62 mph. No I almost always run between 70 and 72 mph. Missing a drop at the end of the day by 15 minutes can cascade into a whole day lost over runs into the weekend.
Every week I run into situations that a little bit of flexibility would really help. I would love to see and I’m hoping against hope that they eliminate the 70 our rule. I have had many situations where I was less than two hours from home and ran out of the 70 hours. How ridiculous is that I have to set aside for 34 hours just so I could drive the last two hours home.
I hate living under regulations put together by people who never drove anything bigger or faster than the desk that they sent in so removed and remote from the real world that we live in out here.
Since the people who make these laws are so stringent there shouldn't be allowed to make a law until they've been in the driver seat. Now I'm running a 1 ton and have to quit I'm losing too much money.
Agree with most on shippers/receivers at times, and the HOS not the ELD per say. Were the the hours flexible like split sleeper and extend clock as in past, very helpful. The PC ability is a big help when ran out of hours at a receiver mainly for me. Do a lot of ltl to grocers with spread out appts, with the last being there past my 14 at times. Yes, the pay is an issue on detention. We get penalized or have to be a work in for incidents beyond our control when held up, most times for me another receiver is slow or really busy. But be early or just in time, then they spend hours unloading and don't want to pay. It's the carriers that don't stand up for the driver, not all but most. With ELDs there's no disputing when a driver arrived, it's recorded. If it's before the appt or right on time, then in two hours the detention begins, and it's recorded we're there. Be safe drivers, you people work some of the longest hours, at all hours in this world.
My old company used to tell me all the time log out or don’t log in yet use pc to go 500 miles for p/u and with you logging legal your not going to make money here when I was a stickler on being legal came up with an off the wall reason to fire me
shippers and receivers are the problem!! they get paid by the hour. they have absolutely no regard for my clock still running. however I work for an excellent company, Crete Carrier. if I run out of time at a shipper and receiver. I am able to use personal conveyance to get to a safe place to park. that being said, if we were paid by the hour when we bump a dock and it was charged to the shipper or receiver the delay time would go away. I have been in this industry for 28 years. I'm 60 years old and looking forward to retirement. as younger man I was go go go push push push. not anymore. go with the flow there are some things you cannot change.
The problem is shippers and receivers when I broke that rule it was for the money every thing we do out here is about the money and the eld has cut into my money out here on the road so I'm going local to get paid hourly
I just wish there would be more effort for the government to regulate the real problem , the shippers and receivers!!!! Let's face it why are we held hostage while they break down the pallets restack them, them put them away. Listen I signed for 18 skids you took off 18 skids sign my paperwork and let me be on my way!!! If you want to waist my time then pay me for it. there is no good reason why we have to sit at one of these big DC's waiting 4 hours to unload 3 pallets. But dam you if your 45 mins late to the appointment because of traffic or bad weather. Any way there my two cents
The pressure I feel from the ELD is not from management, the pressure I feel is from me the driver...
I have long term relationships with the brokers and customers I deal with. They know better than to even ask me to run something against the HOS regulations. In fact most even insist that I don't run in violation. They know if something were to happen, they too could face legal repercussion. We have a mutual respect for each other, that has been built over a number of years.
What I have seen since the ELD mandate is more speeding and reckless driving in construction zones and truck stop parking lots. Seems many are now more in a hurry to beat the clock. As the ELD mandate coupled with the ridiculous HOS regulations leave no room for one to use their own good judgement and common sense.
HOS regulations were initially meant to prevent coercion of an employee by their employer. Somehow the HOS regulations have been allowed to be used as a revenue source by law enforcement. Especially against those not subject to any such coercions as the regulations were originally meant to curtail, that being the single truck Independent. Not really sure how in the "Land of the Free" an unelected bureaucrat is allowed to dictate how I run my business. How is it that they think they know better than myself what is safe or what isn't at any given moment in time? Especially when they have shown time and again their lack of understanding of the industry they are charged with regulating. If I harm someone through my actions it should be up to a jury of my peers to decide. It should not be left to unelected bureaucrats subject to coercion by the large motor carriers to "Level a Playing Field".
I agree with Timothy Deschene. The receivers, shippers and brokers are the problem. People argue that you need better negotiating skills with the brokers but when you have brokers undercutting each other for business and on top of that taking a large cut for themselves, the trucker is left with nothing. There is no negotiating. You either sit for the miraculous load or take the shit load because you have to pay bills. Shippers and receivers can charge you whatever they want for being late but good luck getting paid detention for your hours wasted in their warehouses.
How does one get pressured to violate HOS with an ELD?
Yes these shippers and recievers have been the biggest problem since the beginning but nobody never says a word to them. All they want is to attack and stick it to the drivers, this is why the drivers have left the industry as they have gotten tired of being treated like shit. Leave the drivers alone and go get the shippers and recievers and brokers.
The grocery warehouses are definitely worse! They want to hold you at the dock for 5 or more hours and then wonder why you are running behind!