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I loved it and am haunted by it, especially the finale. Older friends have told me it was like carnage watching so many die during that era; here that horror is brought to life. The trauma of a pandemic is something we all surely can relate to after the last 3 years, is it not? Do we not all understand the dread of not knowing who is going to get sick next, who is going to die alone in a hospital bed, what businesses will close down forever, when it will all be over?
American Horror Story works by playing on our fears - summer camp killers, clowns, ghosts, aliens - but *this* season hit the closest to home.
Some wonderful acting, and Joe Mantello - wow. He's the hero we all need in times of uncertainty and injustice, speaking truth to power even in the face of death.
There's not "too much" sex... compared shot for shot to a lot of other shows. Heck, Game of Thrones has so many gratuitous sex scenes it led to the term "sexposition." We're just so used to straight sex scenes we barely notice them any more. What we are not used to are depictions of complex, intimate relationships between gay men - or anyone in LGBT communities, really. It makes the characters more real and compelling, so it's more of an emotional gut punch when they die.
OK , I get it with the AIDS season . The final two episodes were almost as brilliant as they were confusing and frustrating . As a few previous comments mentioned : If "Big Daddy" is the embodiment of AIDS , was the fire symbolic of it's rapid spread ? I can live with that question . But what was up with the deer on Fire island . A leak from a government facility ? Were they suggesting AIDS was caused by the government ? Intentionally or unintentionally ? I'll watch the next season of AHS and hope they get back with the witches , the carney freaks , and the scariest of them all ....... politicions !
I'm a HUGE fan of Ryan Murphy and AHS. This season definitely hit home as my mom has had AIDS since I was 3, I'm 37 now. It was a death sentence for most when she got it in the late 80s. She is still with us but sadly she is been getting really sick the last few months and her hospital stays are longer and longer. Even though this is a personal issue for me I didn't find it "scary" I found it sad ???? . Not the good kind of horror. It felt more drama like. and someone PLEASE TELL ME if big daddy wasn't real who started that fire that at the club?? The fire was set by big daddy who locked the doors from the outside with chains... The fire was real , but big daddy wasn't?! So I'm lost there.
You had to live the times to truly understand and appreciate this season of AHS NYC. It’s a hard reality but the truth! We know not all gays are sex drug addicts, but let’s not act like what we saw in AHS nyC doesn’t happen 40 plus years later.
REALLY??????? A HORROR STORY FOCUSING ON AIDS?!?!?!?!?! It wasn’t that long ago and many of us survived it, only to watch it as “entertainment” on television??????
What’s next, AHS 9.11?????!!!!!
AHS: NYC: no deal! If I wanted to watch a symbolic-filled drama I wouldn’t have chosen American Horror Story!
I’ve watched AHS since the very beginning, and out of all the seasons, I’ve liked 3 the least.
-Roanoke
-Cult
-NYC
I understand that writers like to use history and historical timeframes to build off of. But damn, do better. Double feature was just off, neither bad or good, just off. But then you go to NYC to the start of the aids pandemic and just throw stuff out and expect your viewers to automatically see what you do. Yeah, you added in so much more gay sex and “relationships” but very little context. So many plot holes and just disappointment. You all did Adam dirty; first his roommate, then his boyfriend and his baby-Mama/best friend! Around the same time?! Do better.
How about you go back to basics and dust off some old ideas from previous seasons. Or! How about you add in more mythical beings. Gods? Monsters? Hell you can even play on heaven and hell, do your own spin on that. What about the father of murder? Cain is never mentioned at ALL in any season. Just some ideas ????♂️
I never thought AHS would make me cry-twice!-over the deaths of characters,but they did. You don't need aliens or ghosts or any supernatural beings to be scary. This was so well done,so deserving of Emmy notice,as well as recognition for AIDS awareness. I believe Big Daddy was AIDS itself,as nobody saw or heard it kill.
It is unbelievable yet very believable how many people missed the point of this season. Of course, it's mostly bros who "can't believe I had to watch gay people in intimate situations." Now you know how we feel watching all the hetero sex in movies and TV. This season was excellent, probably the best in my opinion. It was the scariest season because it was real life. This is what gay men went through in the 80s. Pushed to the margins of a society that basically forced them to have secret, anonymous encounters as you could not openly be gay or you would risk losing your job, losing your family, or even your life due to violence perpetrated against the gay community. Then that same society shames them for being "promiscuous." Then along came AIDS, and as long as it was only killing gay men, no one cared. The government and medical community all but completely ignored it. But when it started infiltrating the heterosexual community and killing "gasp" children, then people stood up and noticed.
Correction in past comments AHS, not AHC … typing error ????
I have enjoyed some of the past Seasons of AHS and the originality of unexpected “ shock waves “ giving viewers a mystery, suspense and overall horror themes with a message. However, I hope to view stories related to more folklore while unveiling supernatural stories such as ghosts, witches, vampires, monsters …the unexplained presence that can make anyone jump out of their seat. AHS has proven the ability of breathing life back into well known fictional horror characters…sorry, this Season didn’t impress me. Regardless of
sexual preferences, the entire series is becoming more and more about sex instead of giving viewers a great “ scare.” I think the production should stay away from it because it’s typical and campy.
I have enjoyed some of the past Seasons of AHC and the originality of unexpected “ shock waves “ giving viewers a mystery, suspense and overall horror themes with a message. However, I hope to view stories related to more folklore while unveiling supernatural stories such as ghosts, witches, vampires, monsters …the unexplained presence that can make anyone jump out of their seat. AHC has proven the ability of breathing life back into well known fictional horror characters…sorry, this Season didn’t impress me. Regardless of
sexual preferences, the entire series is becoming more and more about sex instead of giving viewers a great “ scare.” I think the production should stay away from it because it’s typical and campy.
Season was a total snooze fest. Ryan Murphy is clearly running out of ideas. This was nothing like any of the other seasons. How many aids epidemic stories do we need? How many serial killer stories do we need. This show has run its course and the the fact that so many actors have parted ways with it shows it’s time to pull the plug. The last episode was so stupid and anticlimactic. That big muscled idiot added nothing to the story and was just randomly inserted in there for what? What was the point of him killing people. It was just a mess.
I loved the taught murder/whodunnit style of the first 8 episodes. Was left completely flummoxed by the finale. It felt like a letdown although I appreciate the message. I must assume I expected a more action packed denouncement. And, being a fan of mysteries spanning Sherlock Holmes through Sam Spade, Phillip Marlow, Alex Cross, I suppose I was expecting that. Great season!
I thought the symbolism was fairly obvious. The leather-clad, "Big Daddy' was a metaphor for the hedonistic, libertine nature of the gay lifestyle. Not that it was a judgment but just a cold, hard reality acknowledging that the unbridled promiscuity had its price. Interestingly, I saw the lesbian who ran off "Big Daddy" with the knife as a metaphor for the paradox that the Lesbian community was not threatened by the insidious plague that was killing their gay brethren.
Not what I come to AHS for at all.
I did like the 2 episodes per week style, but it was too real to enjoy.
I respect that this was a depiction of what some people go through in the real world, but I come to AHS for horror not real life stuff.
I hope next season goes back to their old ways like Coven or Hotel which were favorites. Or perhaps go back to Michael's story in some way.
This season made Roanoke look like academy award material. Very disappointed. Mike Flanagan is the new king of tv horror shows now.
As a heterosexual woman I’m sorry people didn’t get the understanding of the show. It wasn't meant to shock or disturb with sex scenes. It made it clear what a horror aids was. We’ve come a long ways and took a long time. Thought it was well done. Anyone interested in that time should watch “ Pose”. Was also well done.
Worst season ever. Made all gays look like druggy sex friends.
Nonsense, boring story. Wasted time I'll never get back. ????????????????
This season just felt...unnecessary.
For starters, did the whole season have to be THIS damned gay?
I'm sorry, I'm sure someone will accuse me of being homophobic, or point out that most every season of AHS features a lot of sex, gay characters, etc...and I totally acknowledge that. It's never put me off AHS before.
But *this* season...my God. I'm pretty sure Ryan Murphy was trying (and succeeded) to depict the most gay sex in any season of a mainstream TV show ever.
And again, that probably wouldn't have bothered me if it at least felt like there were some underlying point to the show, or at the very least, one villain bigger than the Mai Tai guy. Like, if you're going to make me sit through that much footage of dude's taking it up the butt, can you at least give me a more compelling plot?
"Here's a big leatherbound dude that is definitely interacting with physical characters in the show."
"Naaah, sorry, he's not real, he's just metaphorical, and we're gonna do a big switcharoo in the last episode that explains nothing."
I guess I just don't get it. I've watched every season of this show multiple times, and this felt less like another season, and more like "Hey, let's pander to the alphabet crowd to show the world exactly how woke we are!".
So, I mean, I guess it was definitely a season unlike any other...in that it was completely unnecessary, totally unsatisfying, and utterly lacking in what makes AHS great - "An actual plot."
This season of AHS showed a true historical horror - the AIDS epidemic. and deserves praise for reenacting that time of fear and disease. It's astonishing how the period has been forgotten and overlooked. The season also was brave to show flawed gay characters, some who engaged in questionable sexual activities. The show didn't sugar-coat the past, which may be why some viewers were turned off, as seen by the comments. And, yes, there was a gay serial killer of the era, more than one. Thankfully, this season didn't make him the main focus.
The elegiac finale on its own was excellent. But a big inconsistency/puzzlement remains: If Big Leather Daddy was a metaphor of death, and AIDS specifically, how could he physically manifest himself to attack characters on Fire Island, literally kill people like Barbara and trash her apartment, and also set fire to a gay bar? There was no indication Barbara had AIDS or was ill so the metaphor doesn't work in this case. And why was Fran attacked by Big Leather Daddy and able to beat him off? In the past AHS has presented ghosts who can physically interact with living humans, even have sex. But its ghosts have been chained to the places of their deaths (except on Halloween) - and Big Leather Daddy sure gets around. (I'd have to revisit the entire season and compare shots of Big Daddy to satisfy my doubts as to whether or not he was played by the same actor.)
The season was also weakened by continuity lapses, plot holes, character inconsistencies. Billie Lourd plays an extremely intelligent doctor, yet is persuaded by an anonymous phone caller to meet the caller inside Central Park - at night! The Klaus Nomi-like guy follows the crazy doom-saying woman into a subway tunnel, next we see him he's decomposing in bed, presumably from AIDS. The Mai Tai Killer violated his modus operandi of drugging victims with the drink, then taking them to his warehouse for dissection, by openly slashing the throat of a leather man in a gay bar, without even drugging the drink.
I can forgive the anachronism of Kathy in 1981 performing "Calling You", Bob Telson's song from the 1988 movie BAGDAD CAFE, especially because her season finale reprise was so moving, wearing the odd tiara she wore earlier, which made sense, echoing the antlers of the ghosts of the pretty young male AIDS victims. Another bone to pick: AIDS didn't kill only pretty boys, but I guess Theo and Adam's circle of acquaintances were just about only pretty young men.
But at least this season Ryan Murphy & Co. resisted adding too much to the mix this time. No satanists or extraterrestrials or vampires. I suppose there had to be at least one horror cliche - the serial killer - to make the series more sensational. AIDS is a horror all by itself.
Well, I guess Mike never watched Game of Thrones, amirite?
Here’s my take…
It was graphic. What season isn’t? We know what we are getting into when we watch it. Does no one admire the opening credits and the artwork and Easter eggs in each episode’s debut? Probably not. Impatient people, stop skipping the opening credits. If it doesn’t make you think and make you intentionally uneasy, you’re not doing it right.
That said, why would someone calling it “gay torture porn for straight people”? That’s a weird thing to think, but okay… as I was watching this unfold, it shed some light on that 80s-90s plague that was only spoken about in hushed whispers. It was rather poignant and quite disturbing. At the end of last week, I was like wtf is going on and sought opinions from friends as to what they think, and we all were left scratching our heads. The finale episodes bring it all together. People were actually treated like that in hospitals. It’s disturbing and sad af how many of these men passed away so miserably. I don’t see this as James so eloquently says; I see it as art and another layer of society that has been marginalized far too long is given a voice, even if posthumous for many.
I hope that anyone having unprotected sex gets tested regularly and IF they acquire HIV, understand there are options for treatment that can still give you quality of life. I also hope that our lgbtq community knows that they are supported and loved wholely as they are.
If all you see is negative, this isn’t a show for you. The fact you hate it, is rather gloriously intentional and they did their job superbly bc love it, or hate it, you took the time to come read and write about it and that, is still successful.
Now, who wants to tell me their take on Adonis leather man?
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a show all the way too the end, and been so disappointed. I honestly don’t even know how I made it through to the finale. With that being said, the finale is the worst finale I’ve ever seen in any movie or show. I’m not an over the top critic and I went out of my way to look up why this season was so bad. I love AHS but after this season and the last I might have to call it quits
With the conclusion of this season, the final two episodes reveals the true point of this season of American Horror Story in a way that is empathetic, emotional, gut punchingly real - telling a story that was lived by so many and long forgotten / not experienced by generation-PREP.
As it turns out, there was nothing supernatural this season. No conspiracy to explain the new outbreak. Leatherman wasn't a killer stalking gay men but rather a sign of impending death. There was one serial killer and he was very much human. His actions were extreme responses to the complete lack of caring/action/respect from those the gay community was supposed to be able to rely upon. It was a disturbed and misguided attempt to say, "stop ignoring us!"
The underlying horror comes as a consequence of the disrespect/dismissal/hate the gay community endures. Toxicity from those who are supposed to love us resulting in self-loathing and destructive behaviour. This season was, in a way, a love note to those who fought for the community. Gino and Adam bravely and unrelentingly crusading even as they watch the people they love die, one after another.
The accuracy of what so many gay people had live through is so respectful, the tragedy so heartbreaking. Like I said, it felt like a love story dedicated to those who lived it.
Honestly when I found out the theme was gay serial killer I skipped it. Reading this confirmed, this season is fetishized queer torture porn for straight people.
With all the SHIT going on right now with Wars, women and children getting raped, tortured and killed, you all had to bring up the whole AIDS thing? Really? Thought it was depressing and NO ONE needed to relive that nightmarish time! Get some new writers!