I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BLOC SUBSIDIZE ITS SELF...THERE FOR I DONT WANT THE OTHER PARTIES TO BE SUBSIDIZED BY LARGE DONATIONS EITHER....MAY BE THE NEXT ELECTION WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WOULD SEE LESS PROPAGANDA AS THERE WOULD BE LESS MONEY FOR MEDIA
Mel - 16 years ago
To Dave:
ref: "If Harper causes an election over this trivial (relatively speaking) matter, I will be voting Liberal for the first time."
In this particular situation it is the potential coalition who is creating problems over a trivial matter. All Dion had to do was network with Harper to have this presented as a separate bill. It is now to be presented as a separate bill anyway. Yes, it was an admitted mistake to present this all as a package; but it didn't need to have become a constitutional crisis.
The Martin Liberals did not like the funding legislation to begin with because it was mean't as a spiteful Chretien move against Martin. So now you like it?
Dave - 16 years ago
If Harper causes an election over this trivial (relatively speaking) matter, I will be voting Liberal for the first time.
I am with Travis, David, Buko and Grant. Time for the sleezebag and his hidden agenda to go. He does not want democracy, wants to be a baby-faced pot-bellied little dictator along with the old Harris gang. He forgets that the majority of those who voted did not vote for him, I shall not presume for the poor paople who did not vote. As for peoples taxes, he has wasted a lot more than $1.95 per vote on pushing his agenda.
And I am very dissappointed in Andres Coyne and his fanatic support of Harper. (The real Conservatives don't exist anymore, betrayed by one Peter McKay). Coyne might just make me cancel my subscription. M.Mueller
Dean - 16 years ago
Looks like a no brainer call for Harper.
1. With public reluctance, declare enough public works programmes to satisfy the fake objections of the Liberals and NDP.
2. Announce that the resulting deficit was forced upon this minority government against its conservative better judgement.
3. Include the elimination of the public funding of party politics (over 80% of the total Bloc revenue, necessary for the unpopular Liberals and the real reason for this non-confidence threat).
4. Let the government fall if necessary. It's difficult to think of a better issue on which to fight a forced election.
5. Should the unsavory trio actually finesse the change of power without an election (this is possible, and a call by the Governor General), the inevitable quarreling among thieves will result in an even more automatic Conservative win when we eventually get a chance to express our disgust at the polls.
Grant Buchanan - 16 years ago
For Harper to use the current financial crisis as leverage to gut the opposition for his own political gain reveals his true nature. It's time for him to go!
Mars - 16 years ago
The ironic thing is-- we elected a party --which is now in power-- & should have the right to govern!!! Final descisions cannot be made--until Obama is in power- as a lot of what we do effects the 2 borders. the opposition parties have no right to "balk" at the agenda set forward by the party in power--they can disagree---but are not the government. Everyone has to tighten their belts- & Harper is setting forth an agenda to save the tax payers agony from all this--& a coalition is the last thing we need!!! All that does is produce-"in fighting"-& nothing gets done. As far as the "block" goes -- they are not a party-- just seperatists!!! so calm down & lets hope the governer general sees it for what it's worth!!!
Arthur Fife - 16 years ago
It has to have been known that removing the $1.95 of our tax dollars per each vote relatively caste, would have caused a protest; nevertheless I would have preferred that the government would have held fast.
John Wellingham - 16 years ago
The past decade has seen about 143 billion dollars reduction in the national debt, saving 5-7 billion annually in interest. This saving plus the stronger Canadsian economy has allower tax reductions to be passed. So with more money in our poskets we don't need to run a deficit to overcome the recession. Tightening our belts, saving whereever we can and eliminating puplic funding for political parties are necessary. We should not returning to a deficit unless we really must. The Conservatives called it right!
Kim Morton - 16 years ago
Thankfully Harper is on the taxpayers side. The other parties simply want to keep their snouts in the public trough. I resent my tax dollars being squandered and giving my money to political parties that I do not support.
George - 16 years ago
Public funding is the only way to keep any groups, corporations, or even rich individuals from having too much say in running our country. 30 million, if I am correct, is less than 1$ for every Canadian. This is not any type of amount that will break our fiscal policy. I am a left winger. hmmmm, the tories get most of that dollar. I dont really like that eh! What are they trying to do here? It may of backfired on them though. They now look stupid for attempting to defer any meaningful attempts to address the economic issues facing Canadians. I say Kudos for the opposition Parties for standing up to this. The Conservative party should back down from this and try to show some leadership for once
gerry boyce - 16 years ago
Delighted to hear that the Conservative Party is withdrawing this provision. It would have seriously limited the Green Party.
Joyce - 16 years ago
I believe the supporters of each party should be the ones to donate or promote their party choice. I already give a donation to a party and why would I want more public funds given to other parties who can't do their own job? Our entire society better get back to more work and less leisure.
Swiffer - 16 years ago
How much does it cost each taxpayer who voted in an election to pay the $1+ for each vote a party receives? I'm sure it's a lot less than my attempting to make a donation to a political party and either get back nothing in a tax break or have to contribute a sum that I can not afford. It appears to me to be a fare way to finance political parties. Let the wealthy conservative party supporter continue to contribute to the Conservative (Reform/Alliance) party, if they so wish.
Pat - 16 years ago
Corporations are subject to the same $1000.00 limit as individuals in case you had not read the legislation....There is no such thing as a corporate advantage in Election financing any more.....why do you think the liberal party is bankrupt....NO CORP donations.....Who was beholden to corp loyalties.....THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA....Translation THE liberal party of CANADA was morally bankrupt and became physically bankrupt too when the corporate funding dried up!!!!!
myna lee - 16 years ago
meh,eh!
We must have a BAN on TV/Radio Ads.
They are expensive ,an insult to our intelligence.... put the money to promote and facilitate community discussion of issues and solutions...
lets get SERIOUS!
Don - 16 years ago
The Liberals and the NDP need a reality check. I now know 6 people who have lost or will lose their jobs by early next year. Should our tax dollars support mailouts and meetings of political parties or people who don't have jobs? Politicians need to find people who will canvas for funds for them. If they can't raise funds this way then perhaps they are not putting out a message that a reasonable portion of our society will accept.
As far as interest groups are concerned the new political contribution legislation, introduced by the Liberals and accepted by a large majority of the house, prevents that by keeping donations small.
Buko von Krosigk - 16 years ago
Typical Harper, cheap and sleazy politics, at a time when it should be important to him to get the cooperation of the other parties he did the one thing that would not fly.
The parties need money to do their jobs. The combination of public funding and tax credits for individual donations ensures that the constituents, not big corporations or unions, are most important to our politicians. The combination of public funding and the Parliamentary system gives us a wonderful system. It also makes it important that governments ensure a well-educated and well-informed electorate. When we, the people, actually have power, we need to use it wisely.
Kerry - 16 years ago
NO. It is difficult for me to swallow that my tax dollars are supporting polical parties - parties I did not vote for. Why should the Bloc be recieving tax dollars for anywhere outside Quebec? There is a great tax advantage to anyone that wants to make a personal donation to the party of their choose.
Travis - 16 years ago
We need public funding. The more we move to a donation system, the more the parties have someone (corporations etc) they need to answer to. That's going in the wrong direction. Not to mention it gives an incredibly unfair advantage.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BLOC SUBSIDIZE ITS SELF...THERE FOR I DONT WANT THE OTHER PARTIES TO BE SUBSIDIZED BY LARGE DONATIONS EITHER....MAY BE THE NEXT ELECTION WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WOULD SEE LESS PROPAGANDA AS THERE WOULD BE LESS MONEY FOR MEDIA
To Dave:
ref: "If Harper causes an election over this trivial (relatively speaking) matter, I will be voting Liberal for the first time."
In this particular situation it is the potential coalition who is creating problems over a trivial matter. All Dion had to do was network with Harper to have this presented as a separate bill. It is now to be presented as a separate bill anyway. Yes, it was an admitted mistake to present this all as a package; but it didn't need to have become a constitutional crisis.
The Martin Liberals did not like the funding legislation to begin with because it was mean't as a spiteful Chretien move against Martin. So now you like it?
If Harper causes an election over this trivial (relatively speaking) matter, I will be voting Liberal for the first time.
I am with Travis, David, Buko and Grant. Time for the sleezebag and his hidden agenda to go. He does not want democracy, wants to be a baby-faced pot-bellied little dictator along with the old Harris gang. He forgets that the majority of those who voted did not vote for him, I shall not presume for the poor paople who did not vote. As for peoples taxes, he has wasted a lot more than $1.95 per vote on pushing his agenda.
And I am very dissappointed in Andres Coyne and his fanatic support of Harper. (The real Conservatives don't exist anymore, betrayed by one Peter McKay). Coyne might just make me cancel my subscription. M.Mueller
Looks like a no brainer call for Harper.
1. With public reluctance, declare enough public works programmes to satisfy the fake objections of the Liberals and NDP.
2. Announce that the resulting deficit was forced upon this minority government against its conservative better judgement.
3. Include the elimination of the public funding of party politics (over 80% of the total Bloc revenue, necessary for the unpopular Liberals and the real reason for this non-confidence threat).
4. Let the government fall if necessary. It's difficult to think of a better issue on which to fight a forced election.
5. Should the unsavory trio actually finesse the change of power without an election (this is possible, and a call by the Governor General), the inevitable quarreling among thieves will result in an even more automatic Conservative win when we eventually get a chance to express our disgust at the polls.
For Harper to use the current financial crisis as leverage to gut the opposition for his own political gain reveals his true nature. It's time for him to go!
The ironic thing is-- we elected a party --which is now in power-- & should have the right to govern!!! Final descisions cannot be made--until Obama is in power- as a lot of what we do effects the 2 borders. the opposition parties have no right to "balk" at the agenda set forward by the party in power--they can disagree---but are not the government. Everyone has to tighten their belts- & Harper is setting forth an agenda to save the tax payers agony from all this--& a coalition is the last thing we need!!! All that does is produce-"in fighting"-& nothing gets done. As far as the "block" goes -- they are not a party-- just seperatists!!! so calm down & lets hope the governer general sees it for what it's worth!!!
It has to have been known that removing the $1.95 of our tax dollars per each vote relatively caste, would have caused a protest; nevertheless I would have preferred that the government would have held fast.
The past decade has seen about 143 billion dollars reduction in the national debt, saving 5-7 billion annually in interest. This saving plus the stronger Canadsian economy has allower tax reductions to be passed. So with more money in our poskets we don't need to run a deficit to overcome the recession. Tightening our belts, saving whereever we can and eliminating puplic funding for political parties are necessary. We should not returning to a deficit unless we really must. The Conservatives called it right!
Thankfully Harper is on the taxpayers side. The other parties simply want to keep their snouts in the public trough. I resent my tax dollars being squandered and giving my money to political parties that I do not support.
Public funding is the only way to keep any groups, corporations, or even rich individuals from having too much say in running our country. 30 million, if I am correct, is less than 1$ for every Canadian. This is not any type of amount that will break our fiscal policy. I am a left winger. hmmmm, the tories get most of that dollar. I dont really like that eh! What are they trying to do here? It may of backfired on them though. They now look stupid for attempting to defer any meaningful attempts to address the economic issues facing Canadians. I say Kudos for the opposition Parties for standing up to this. The Conservative party should back down from this and try to show some leadership for once
Delighted to hear that the Conservative Party is withdrawing this provision. It would have seriously limited the Green Party.
I believe the supporters of each party should be the ones to donate or promote their party choice. I already give a donation to a party and why would I want more public funds given to other parties who can't do their own job? Our entire society better get back to more work and less leisure.
How much does it cost each taxpayer who voted in an election to pay the $1+ for each vote a party receives? I'm sure it's a lot less than my attempting to make a donation to a political party and either get back nothing in a tax break or have to contribute a sum that I can not afford. It appears to me to be a fare way to finance political parties. Let the wealthy conservative party supporter continue to contribute to the Conservative (Reform/Alliance) party, if they so wish.
Corporations are subject to the same $1000.00 limit as individuals in case you had not read the legislation....There is no such thing as a corporate advantage in Election financing any more.....why do you think the liberal party is bankrupt....NO CORP donations.....Who was beholden to corp loyalties.....THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA....Translation THE liberal party of CANADA was morally bankrupt and became physically bankrupt too when the corporate funding dried up!!!!!
meh,eh!
We must have a BAN on TV/Radio Ads.
They are expensive ,an insult to our intelligence.... put the money to promote and facilitate community discussion of issues and solutions...
lets get SERIOUS!
The Liberals and the NDP need a reality check. I now know 6 people who have lost or will lose their jobs by early next year. Should our tax dollars support mailouts and meetings of political parties or people who don't have jobs? Politicians need to find people who will canvas for funds for them. If they can't raise funds this way then perhaps they are not putting out a message that a reasonable portion of our society will accept.
As far as interest groups are concerned the new political contribution legislation, introduced by the Liberals and accepted by a large majority of the house, prevents that by keeping donations small.
Typical Harper, cheap and sleazy politics, at a time when it should be important to him to get the cooperation of the other parties he did the one thing that would not fly.
The parties need money to do their jobs. The combination of public funding and tax credits for individual donations ensures that the constituents, not big corporations or unions, are most important to our politicians. The combination of public funding and the Parliamentary system gives us a wonderful system. It also makes it important that governments ensure a well-educated and well-informed electorate. When we, the people, actually have power, we need to use it wisely.
NO. It is difficult for me to swallow that my tax dollars are supporting polical parties - parties I did not vote for. Why should the Bloc be recieving tax dollars for anywhere outside Quebec? There is a great tax advantage to anyone that wants to make a personal donation to the party of their choose.
We need public funding. The more we move to a donation system, the more the parties have someone (corporations etc) they need to answer to. That's going in the wrong direction. Not to mention it gives an incredibly unfair advantage.