Joy is compelling, and rarely so true as it is in Singin' in the Rain.
Ryan Finley - 8 months ago
Sorry to all the Singin' in the Rain fans, but I felt like I was ready to doze off at every overly long musical number. I respect the movie and what Gene Kelly did for the genre, but I just don't find this type of move compelling enough. Is it a better "movie" than 12 Angry Men, in terms of framing, camera angles, and above all kinetic energy? Certainly. But one kept me locked into a compelling plot with fantastic dialogue and one great portrayal after another, while the other was a bit of shiny varnish, not unlike the tears on Debbie Reynold's cheeks during the climactic scene - those tears that looked shiny but didn't...move....at all. I had to wonder exactly what they put on Ms. Reynold's face for that phony tear effect. 12 Angry Men, on the other hand, felt all too real and still relevant today.
Sam Thompson - 9 months ago
12 Angry Men triggered one angry man when it bested Kubrick's monumental Paths of Glory. I must take my revenge. Oh and Singing in the Rain is clearly a better film. Compared to Lumet's other brilliancies, 12 Angry Men is an eye roll.
Erin Teachman (Los Angeles) - 9 months ago
Every Madness there's one movie that sticks around way longer than I think it could (or should) and that spot goes to 12 Angry Men in this tournament. It doesn't do it for me, respect to the stans for carrying it this far. I suspect this will be closer than I want it to be, because I absolutely adore Singin' in the Rain, just about the most perfect movie musical ever made. We shall see whether it's enough to make 'em laugh or not, I guess!
Bracket-making is not an indicator of any extra level of seriousness or taste. At most, it divides people by the amount of extra time they have on their hands, but in reality, it tells one nothing about a person.
I'll be keeping my pristine Film Card, thankyou very much.
Brad C - 9 months ago
If I'm going to listen to someone belt out a few bars of "Singin' in the Rain" in cinema, I'd rather watch Malcolm McDowell do it in A Clockwork Orange. My vote goes to 11 angry men and the esteemed Juror #8.
Mark Ward - 9 months ago
That these two films are among the final eight out of an original 96 suggested is proof Adam and Josh and the FS braintrust might need to rethink the purpose and methods of these contests. What you say? Just look back at the older contests. The arguably right film often wins, but the middle rounds are full of popular but utterly disposable films unworthy of your desert island, selected by what I assume are largely uniformed voters that have no time to view all the contestants. No different than any typical election in the US I suppose... But lets call these contests what they more closely resemble - high school queen and king contests. No cogent argument required, just gut feeling, or worse yet, Ive hear the name of this film but not this one so...
I love both films, but is there a better contest product that at least attempts to weed out national biases, recency biases, and ability to choose popular films over those that have distinguishable merit. I mean we all profess to love film; its why we are here. But maybe voting - in elections or FS contests - would be more rewarding for listeners if the voting bar was raised above "i have internet" threshold.
One possible solution... why not display parallel voting results? One bin is votes may by the several hundred people that actually filled out a bracket, and a second bin of votes of all those that vote weekly. The venn diagram of these two no doubt has overlap, but I assume lots more FS listeners vote without filling out a bracket. This would simply require brackets to be secret until the deadline, then tally those all at once to declare a bracket-only submission winner. then the normal weekly homecoming king contest could proceed as usual.
Stepping off soapbox now...
Zef Wagner - 9 months ago
Singin' in the Rain deserves to advance! It's a wonderful achievement, one of the best musicals ever, and deals so well with the transition from silent film to talkies.
I'm baffled by the bafflement over 12 Angry Men. Is it that its greatnesses are all presented directly, that the film writer's porn, subtext, is missing? Sorry you don't get the thrill of the thematic hunt with this one, but it's not the checklist requirement for high quality that its worthiness must be discovered through investigation. There is nothing movies are not allowed to be, including plain and up front. 12 Angry Men starts with a script so good that its less cinematic 1996 remake is still powerful. Add exceptional performances that are successfully both of their time and contemporary, and a specific plan for the cinematography - this is a film, a pure film, and a great one for reasons anyone who sees it can get. It defies critical exceptionalism by being direct, and leaving everyone, not just we cinephiles, we happy cinephiles, with a meal of deep discussions to follow.
But yeah, Singin' in the Rain takes it. In cinema circles, joy is too underrated, and this movie is film school in two hours, to boot.
Robert Lewis - 9 months ago
Singin' In The Rain is not only a better movie, it is, in my opinion, the best Musical ever.
Jordan Jurcyk - 9 months ago
I'm confused by Josh and Adam's ambivalence towards this film. I'm even more confused by their bafflement at it's popularity. We're talking about the third highest rated film OF ALL TIME on Letterboxd. Even Filmspotting's own listener derived top 100 placed it 6th among 50s films. This is one of the most beloved films in the history of the medium!
It's also one of my own personal most beloved films. A simple but perfectly crafted story about why we should do the right thing even when it's hard. Its run may end here, but I hope it wins the whole thing!
Trent Robb - 9 months ago
I’m with our hosts with the most here. What the ever living heck is this Angry Men movie doing here. Wish it would have been eliminated each of the last two rounds. Appropriate that the movie with the most joyful joyous moment in the history of Cinema is going to take it out. Singing in The Rain!
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Joy is compelling, and rarely so true as it is in Singin' in the Rain.
Sorry to all the Singin' in the Rain fans, but I felt like I was ready to doze off at every overly long musical number. I respect the movie and what Gene Kelly did for the genre, but I just don't find this type of move compelling enough. Is it a better "movie" than 12 Angry Men, in terms of framing, camera angles, and above all kinetic energy? Certainly. But one kept me locked into a compelling plot with fantastic dialogue and one great portrayal after another, while the other was a bit of shiny varnish, not unlike the tears on Debbie Reynold's cheeks during the climactic scene - those tears that looked shiny but didn't...move....at all. I had to wonder exactly what they put on Ms. Reynold's face for that phony tear effect. 12 Angry Men, on the other hand, felt all too real and still relevant today.
12 Angry Men triggered one angry man when it bested Kubrick's monumental Paths of Glory. I must take my revenge. Oh and Singing in the Rain is clearly a better film. Compared to Lumet's other brilliancies, 12 Angry Men is an eye roll.
Every Madness there's one movie that sticks around way longer than I think it could (or should) and that spot goes to 12 Angry Men in this tournament. It doesn't do it for me, respect to the stans for carrying it this far. I suspect this will be closer than I want it to be, because I absolutely adore Singin' in the Rain, just about the most perfect movie musical ever made. We shall see whether it's enough to make 'em laugh or not, I guess!
Bracket-making is not an indicator of any extra level of seriousness or taste. At most, it divides people by the amount of extra time they have on their hands, but in reality, it tells one nothing about a person.
I'll be keeping my pristine Film Card, thankyou very much.
If I'm going to listen to someone belt out a few bars of "Singin' in the Rain" in cinema, I'd rather watch Malcolm McDowell do it in A Clockwork Orange. My vote goes to 11 angry men and the esteemed Juror #8.
That these two films are among the final eight out of an original 96 suggested is proof Adam and Josh and the FS braintrust might need to rethink the purpose and methods of these contests. What you say? Just look back at the older contests. The arguably right film often wins, but the middle rounds are full of popular but utterly disposable films unworthy of your desert island, selected by what I assume are largely uniformed voters that have no time to view all the contestants. No different than any typical election in the US I suppose... But lets call these contests what they more closely resemble - high school queen and king contests. No cogent argument required, just gut feeling, or worse yet, Ive hear the name of this film but not this one so...
I love both films, but is there a better contest product that at least attempts to weed out national biases, recency biases, and ability to choose popular films over those that have distinguishable merit. I mean we all profess to love film; its why we are here. But maybe voting - in elections or FS contests - would be more rewarding for listeners if the voting bar was raised above "i have internet" threshold.
One possible solution... why not display parallel voting results? One bin is votes may by the several hundred people that actually filled out a bracket, and a second bin of votes of all those that vote weekly. The venn diagram of these two no doubt has overlap, but I assume lots more FS listeners vote without filling out a bracket. This would simply require brackets to be secret until the deadline, then tally those all at once to declare a bracket-only submission winner. then the normal weekly homecoming king contest could proceed as usual.
Stepping off soapbox now...
Singin' in the Rain deserves to advance! It's a wonderful achievement, one of the best musicals ever, and deals so well with the transition from silent film to talkies.
I'm baffled by the bafflement over 12 Angry Men. Is it that its greatnesses are all presented directly, that the film writer's porn, subtext, is missing? Sorry you don't get the thrill of the thematic hunt with this one, but it's not the checklist requirement for high quality that its worthiness must be discovered through investigation. There is nothing movies are not allowed to be, including plain and up front. 12 Angry Men starts with a script so good that its less cinematic 1996 remake is still powerful. Add exceptional performances that are successfully both of their time and contemporary, and a specific plan for the cinematography - this is a film, a pure film, and a great one for reasons anyone who sees it can get. It defies critical exceptionalism by being direct, and leaving everyone, not just we cinephiles, we happy cinephiles, with a meal of deep discussions to follow.
But yeah, Singin' in the Rain takes it. In cinema circles, joy is too underrated, and this movie is film school in two hours, to boot.
Singin' In The Rain is not only a better movie, it is, in my opinion, the best Musical ever.
I'm confused by Josh and Adam's ambivalence towards this film. I'm even more confused by their bafflement at it's popularity. We're talking about the third highest rated film OF ALL TIME on Letterboxd. Even Filmspotting's own listener derived top 100 placed it 6th among 50s films. This is one of the most beloved films in the history of the medium!
It's also one of my own personal most beloved films. A simple but perfectly crafted story about why we should do the right thing even when it's hard. Its run may end here, but I hope it wins the whole thing!
I’m with our hosts with the most here. What the ever living heck is this Angry Men movie doing here. Wish it would have been eliminated each of the last two rounds. Appropriate that the movie with the most joyful joyous moment in the history of Cinema is going to take it out. Singing in The Rain!