In answer to William Albert, there is in fact no part of today's Poland which was ever included in Ukraine, even if we define Ukraine in terms of the rule of Bogdan Chmielnicki the most successful of the resistors of Polish power in Ruthenia and parts of today's Ukraine. Using the term Ukraine to talk about Cossack lands such as the Zaporozhian Sycz is a bit anachronistic, and it became a country, as in a Soviet Republic, under the command of the Supreme Soviet although it was, like Germany prior to its emergence as a country from a mess of principalities bound roughly in the Holy Roman Empire, a strong concept. Even the standardisation of the Ukrainian language, as opposed to 16 or so "little Russian" dialects, was only done un the 1950s by linguistic teams with a certain political aim in mind.
This means that although Hetman Chmielnicki did indeed lay siege to Zamość (unsuccessfully) and raided Chełm, Lublin and Przemysł, none of these seventeenth century Cossack incursions were ever formalisés into a territorial claim by Cossacks on these Rzeczpospolitan lands.
On the contrary Poland lost significant territory around Lwów to Ukraine. The USSR effectively gave itself, in the context of the Ukrainian SSR, this territory, compensating Poland by giving her Szczecin, Wrocław, and all of the territory up to the Nysa/Odra (Neisse/Oder) line from Germany. Some of these territories has been in the past Polish, some even in the past had been under Bohemia. If there is a scary thought about people wanting territory back from Poland it would be a claim by Germany.
Some - a minority - in Germany might welcome that, but the obvious issue is that they scarcely need Lebensraum when as it is they need to import their wirschaffend-asses from the scrag ends of the earth in order to keep their existing population from going into Freifall mit Beifall. Why would it interest them in reality to take swathes of Poland away only to fill them with translated persons devoid of and resistant to the skills and culture necessary for success in Europe?
William Albert - 3 months ago
I wonder if Ukriane might be tempted to make up for lost territory by going to war with Poland to reclaim territory that once belonged to them.
In answer to William Albert, there is in fact no part of today's Poland which was ever included in Ukraine, even if we define Ukraine in terms of the rule of Bogdan Chmielnicki the most successful of the resistors of Polish power in Ruthenia and parts of today's Ukraine. Using the term Ukraine to talk about Cossack lands such as the Zaporozhian Sycz is a bit anachronistic, and it became a country, as in a Soviet Republic, under the command of the Supreme Soviet although it was, like Germany prior to its emergence as a country from a mess of principalities bound roughly in the Holy Roman Empire, a strong concept. Even the standardisation of the Ukrainian language, as opposed to 16 or so "little Russian" dialects, was only done un the 1950s by linguistic teams with a certain political aim in mind.
This means that although Hetman Chmielnicki did indeed lay siege to Zamość (unsuccessfully) and raided Chełm, Lublin and Przemysł, none of these seventeenth century Cossack incursions were ever formalisés into a territorial claim by Cossacks on these Rzeczpospolitan lands.
On the contrary Poland lost significant territory around Lwów to Ukraine. The USSR effectively gave itself, in the context of the Ukrainian SSR, this territory, compensating Poland by giving her Szczecin, Wrocław, and all of the territory up to the Nysa/Odra (Neisse/Oder) line from Germany. Some of these territories has been in the past Polish, some even in the past had been under Bohemia. If there is a scary thought about people wanting territory back from Poland it would be a claim by Germany.
Some - a minority - in Germany might welcome that, but the obvious issue is that they scarcely need Lebensraum when as it is they need to import their wirschaffend-asses from the scrag ends of the earth in order to keep their existing population from going into Freifall mit Beifall. Why would it interest them in reality to take swathes of Poland away only to fill them with translated persons devoid of and resistant to the skills and culture necessary for success in Europe?
I wonder if Ukriane might be tempted to make up for lost territory by going to war with Poland to reclaim territory that once belonged to them.