Democrats are using their top Hill committee in an attempt to level the financial playing field against Congressman Joe Wilson in what will undoubtedly be the most expensive U.S. House race of 2010.
In a new 60-second radio spot, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) attacks Wilson for opposing President Barack Obama’s attempts to impose a massive overhaul of the U.S. financial regulatory system. If government reform was only as easy as buying bridal accessories things life would be easier.
Rep. Joe Wilson, using his increased national profile from his "you lie!" yell at President Barack Obama, introduced a bill Tuesday requiring that a special board be set up to track the number of jobs created by the $787 billion economic stimulus plan, including medical supplies.
Wilson, R-S.C., said his legislation had drawn 10 co-sponsors in advance of a news conference he scheduled for Wednesday at the U.S. Capitol.
"This is the people's money," Wilson told McClatchy Newspapers. "Americans should understand what the billions and billions of dollars are being spent for."
The reporting last month on www.recovery.gov, the Obama administration's official stimulus Web site, of thousands of jobs in nonexistent congressional districts drew days of ridicule until it was corrected.
D. Duncan - 15 years ago
It is clear evidence of the left's hypocrisy, intolerance, and tyrannical approach to opponents that they even suggest that he should be reprimanded, disapproved, censured, or whatever term you want to use. For years they booed, called the President a liar, accused him of treason, and made baseless and theatrical calls for impeachment merely because Bush stood up for his principles. And now they have the chutzpah to "disapprove" when someone dares to speak the truth about Dear Leader. In a way it's a good thing...it lays bare their chilling intentions to oppress all dissent.
The Republican Party Has a lot of work to do Because they have to give formation to their partisan,, other wise they will be out of power for a long time, EveryBody sees more Hate in the republican party they don't like immigrant, they don't like latino,they ask for no immigration reform,, they only see themself. people don't have healthcare ,The President trying to help everyone to afforde healthcare But Republican talk apposite,I am telling you people the more you stand against things that will be good for the people the less popular you are..
I was really surprise to see the Behavior of Joe Wilson,, That is a Shame taht will stay for ever for his family. Joe is not a good example for anybody.
Iam so desappointed because I was voted for him I'am a resident of South Carolina, I feel ambarasse for Him,,, OBAMa IS THE PRESIDENT OF EVERY body, OUR President is a Great man everyone should respect him.
The word is watching the US. Joe should punish,so every one can be careful and reacting an wise way with the President of the USA.
GMKOMD - 15 years ago
COMING FROM THE UK WE ARE USED TO THIS BUT THIS WAS NOT THE TIME AND PLACE AND ALL THOSE SAYING THAT THIS REDNECK FOOL WAS SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE THEN WHO DO THEY THINK THE ELECTED PRESIDENT IS SPEAKING FOR?
IF OBAMA HAD SHOUTED THIS AT BUSH WHAT WOULD THE REPUBLICANS BE SAYING AND IF EVERYONE STARTED SHOUTING THEN THE SPEECH WOULDNT GET DONE AT ALL!
THE GUY HAS ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG I THINK THAT SAYS IT ALL!
Troll - 15 years ago
None of the democrats who interupted Bush's speeches by drowning himn out, which Obama participated in were punished. So if we punish this man for speaking the truth then we are truly no longer American
tonya tipton - 15 years ago
One other thing, this is why most Americans thinks that the Republican party is a joke.
tonya tipton - 15 years ago
Joe Wilson needs to be punished for his total lack of respect for our President. President Obama gave a speech to congress and with Joe Wilson saying what he said I thought I was watching one of those town hall meetings.
I see Joe Wilson is trying to stop heath care reform completely. He says he is against goverment run health care. So since he gets goverment run health care I wonder will he give that up.
Faye Wheeler - 15 years ago
No! He does not need to be punished. He needs to be saluted for speaking up when no others are brave enough to give their HONEST opinion of the president's tired, old news....
Allan Small - 15 years ago
His outburst was rude, unprecedented, uncalled for, and against House rules long observed by all civilized members of ALL political parties. CIVIL disagreement is the basis of democratic debate. Wilson's behavior was UNCIVIL, and he should be severely censured by the House.
Tim - 15 years ago
Give Joe a medal!!!
REB - 15 years ago
This is an another attempt by the Dem's to try and misdirect critism of the President's and Dem's poorly put together health care plan. Tthe Dem's believe that when they lie no one should call them on it. Hypocrites
Keith Forest Brown - 15 years ago
There is a time and place for feedback. No one is taking Joe Wilson's freedom of speech away. Feedback at a joint assembly of Congress is not the place for feedback. The Honorable Joe Wilson deserves no such title. If you think you represent your state, beware of the focus group of one. ‘Shame on you, Joey Wilson,’ for your uncontrollable childish outburst. How do you expect to serve your state now? I feel sorry for the intelligent people of South Carolina.
lisa perkins - 15 years ago
joe wilson should be punished for calling the president a lie.give the president some respect.i cant call my supervisor a lie a get away with it so he no better than me.but he thinks he is.he needs to be punished.
Eric McKnight - 15 years ago
He echoed what millions of Americans are thinking and quite frankly I applaud him for it. More Republicans and independents, even Democrats should be saying this to the President because he is lying. He is misleading the country and it's high time someone called him on it publicly. Democrats booed President Bush in 2005 and there wasn't this outrage. By the way, the President doesn't warrant respect because he holds the office, he warrants respect because of the kind of man that he is. Because of the kind of actions he takes. This man is not honest, he's not telling the truth and he cannot be trusted. It is our elected officials duty to call him on this. We have not seen this kind of president in our entire history, one that wants to push us so quickly to Socialism, and it is socialism.
kws - 15 years ago
Why should he be punished? What Democrats were punished for doing similar things when Bush was in office? None. If Obama wants a government where the dialog is a one way street, he shouldn't have run for the office of President of the US.
Ginger - 15 years ago
Even though what Joe said might have been a little overreactive he still has the right to a freedom of speech so there is nothing to charge or get him punished for.
Mike - 15 years ago
If he handles this right Wilson (and the Republicans) can turn this around to be advantageous and help expose the misrepresentation of Obama and the Dems. For instance, with the exposure he is going to get (free exposure) Rep Wilson can command the stage and explain WHY (with details of course) he did it. The mistake would be to shrink from it.
Mike - 15 years ago
If Senator Joe Wilson should resign, then President Obama should also. President Obama was just saying that others were lying. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
pbasskrc - 15 years ago
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare
Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrol lment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: **Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory**. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life
resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
The only medical services that they don't want to ration are
abortion and assisted suicide!
You may be able to follow this...that is if you can read and you're not just a Democratic robot.
Oh, and the person that had to throw in the "RACE CARD" isn't that just typical. Can't tell the truth about anyone of color without the "race card" being played....Shame on you.
pbasskrc - 15 years ago
This is just the tip of the 1100 pages…
Here, is an easy reading of what's exactly in Obama's
Health bill.
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care **will be rationed**!
• Page 30: A **government committee** will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process).
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health
benefits for you. You **will have no choice**. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided
with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The **federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts** for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans **must conform to government rules** to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the
Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for
services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically
enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. **No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly.**
Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the **government will set wages**.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167:Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is **exempt from individual taxes** (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: **_Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records_**.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their
professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial
admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input:
Tara - 15 years ago
You guys who are in support of "censure" are forgetting that the Dimokrats BOOED and HECKLED President Bush at his STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS in 2005. I didn't hear any talk of censure then. I guess all of you HYPOCRITES must not have thought THAT WASN'T blatantly disrespectful. MORONS!
Instead if talking about this NONSENSE, why not focus on the fact that Obama WAS IN FACT LYING!! Though no bill specifically says it WILL cover illegals, the dems insisted on removing ALL REQUIREMENTS that would make a person prove he/she is a citizen in order to receive subsidies and insurance coverage. I gues you could call it the DON'T ASK DON'T TELL in the insurance sector.
Get a grip. Anyone know that ACORN was busted in an undercover expose trying to help a "prostitute" and her "pimp" get a mortgage and, KNOWINGLY, and also told them to NOT FILE TAXES to avoid them? They also advised these folks to not report the 13 underage girls they were bringing over from El Salvador to be sex slaves. And the Federal Govt, aka BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, is funneling BILLIONS of dollars to ACORN, and is even putting ACORN in charge of the 2010 Census, which will count illegals???????
And all you can talk about is some BRAVE representative, who has HAD ENOUGH of the BULLCRAP LIES emanating from our PRESIDENT and calling him on it??? Our country really is screwed.
crockspot - 15 years ago
This poll is being hit in an organized way by Democrat Underground, in response to this call to skew this poll.
Some ppl r so stupid in here. Illegals r getting help from your stupid self right now as we speak. They can go the ER and get any med care they want. Stop this bull.....and the pres was born right here on American soil so stop your hate speech....
nas8888 - 15 years ago
I think punishment is completely appropriate. A number of you have insisted that Rep. Wilson's "freedom of speech" should fully allow him to make such disruptive remarks. I disagree entirely. Like all of our Constitutional Amendments, they do not provide blanket permission to act as one wishes, in this case, with total disrespect for the Office of the President. Whether or not you agree with the President's health care objectives is irrelevant. When OUR President addresses Congress and the Country, we listen. Period. Debate, dialogue, and discussion come afterward.
Stop the blatant disrespect for the President and the Office.
Becky - 15 years ago
Yes! He acted like he was in 5th grade. There is always a time and place for everything. This never happened before and there is no need for Rep party to start disrespecting a president that was elected by the people. He acted like it was a town hall meeting...
Travis - 15 years ago
You right wing nut-jobs are hilarious. It would have been funnier if that redneck had thrown his shoes at Obama instead of just yelling "you lie." Frankly, I think he should be punished for being an idiot - which was the case long before he disrupted the president's speech. But, that's just my opinion.
me - 15 years ago
What A lot of people here aren't getting is that that was NOT the time or place to say anything like that the the commander in chief. No matter who the President is at the time.
(oh yeah, he was wrong anyway, so he just makes himself look like a fool)
ad natumn - 15 years ago
Give the man a medal - read the house bill - its in there, right along with the "panel" of government bureacrats who will decide who, what, when and where we get treatment. A teaching of the Church states that we have a fundamental right to life and rights to the necessities, food, clothing and shelter...understand this in the context as a right to ACQUIRE the MEANS of procuring for one's self and one's family those goods .....with the duty to execise virtue (diligence, thrift, charity) in every aspect of their acquisition and discharge. (It is called personal responsiblity...exactly what the President was sharing with American school children) Our goal is to LIVE and WORK; and to be looked after only in the event of real necessity. Americans want to LIVE and want to WORK and take care of their own needs and families. This administration is hell bent on putting as many of us out of work as possible. Compounding crisis intentionally so we will have more and more folks finding themselves dependent upon the government to survive. Congress and the Administration knows this. 52% of the American people have caught on. Instead of putting the power of his office behind a campaign of getting this economy back on track, our President spends his capital on campaigning for higher approval numbers. The previous President was booed by the entire Democrat attendees during the State of the Union speech in 2005. Sen. Reid has used the same term Rep. Wilson used last night in describing President Bush....where was the punishment and outrage then? Me thinks the left complains too much. We have the right to make health care decisions for self and family... not some shadow panel of so called experts....and certainly not the office of the President no matter who he or she may be. Americans are smart enough to know where the proposed plans are going to take us down the road when we struggle as a nation to keep up with the demands upon the health system...and we are passionate about something so personal and private as our health history, finances and care. Government has not got a good track record in running any of these social bureaucratic plans...Any one who submits to the control of government over their very bodies....needs to wake up and see this for what it really is. These plans undermine the stability of future generations. We not only 'get that' we will vote our convictions and happily show many of them the door and get folks in there that can give our country true health reform and get rid of the obstacles that are weakening our American free market economy. Remember folks the one who calls the tunes pays the Piper. How many really want the current congress and administration calling the tunes? When they pay the Piper it comes from our pockets and if I may borrow the Presidents comment last night, be assured people will die from this massive overreach by the government. Rep. Wilson made an honest and passionate exclamation that was heard from sea to sea and it is about time the elites are exposed for who they are. Just as Paul Revere alerted the colonies that, " The British are coming, the British are coming" The alarms have been sounded hold tight to grandpa, grandma and the babies because IN D.C,' "They are lying, They are lying". Thank you Mr. Wilson for showing the country we still have a few in congress with a spine! America suppports you and those who speak the truth.
jeff - 15 years ago
yeah, punish free speech - wouldnt expect much else from stooges at NPR...leftist gov't mouthpieces who know where to plant their lips when obama grunts...what a joke, couldnt get a real job memmott???
MoveForward - 15 years ago
There is a time and place for everything. We learn that from the earliest years of age to hold your tongue until it's your turn. It's a shame in this day and age that the contempt for a black leader makes one act so "spontaneous!" This is a clear indicator why nothing gets done under the Republicans...they lack basic self control--hence--affairs, lying, stealing and now outbursts! Keep it up--while the stupid support the stupid--the rest of us are just embarrassed!
Paul Jacobs - 15 years ago
What Mr. Wilson did was idiotic and unforgivable, and he did a good job of summarizing everything that his party has contributed to the national discussion since losing power.
But it's free speech and even though a congressman saying the same thing to bush would probably have been thrown into guantanamo, there was no law broken.
Wilson punished himself by doing it, he punished his party by doing it. Let the fool have his rewards.
Nathan Rodman - 15 years ago
I believe that this is a perfect example of freedom of speech. And Rep. Wilson expressing his first ammendment rights. Obama even stated that he wanted to hear all comments and suggestions from both parties to make this plan happen and Wilson gave his comment. Punishment seems a bit harsh, especially over such a controversial issue.
Wm - 15 years ago
He did what every American should do when he has been lied to by an elected official. Speak up and let them know that you consider them as having lied. Quit using terms like "I misspoke". It's time for all of us to go back to telling the truth, not your version of the truth. Mr Obama has told so many lies that he has disgraced the office of the president. Respect is earned by one's behavior and can not be given simply because of the position someone is holding.
Guess some of you have forgotten Dems in Congress BOOING Pres. Bush during speeches. But that wasn't shameful, for some reason. What hypocrites you are!
Brian Coss - 15 years ago
Censure is called for. Although I know Obama will turn the other cheek, I still feel this should be punished.
AZGABOY - 15 years ago
Not only should he haven't apologized, Dems and Libs have NO say about it. It's ok when they speak their feeble minds but Conservatives and Patriots of this country shouldn't? Think NOT.
adamdenver - 15 years ago
He's a big baby and needs to learn some respect. I don't agree with him at all but am so glad that we live in a country where your opinions/emotions/view etc can be voiced! He should absolutely not be punish for dissent! It's his right as it is yours
DSaba - 15 years ago
I see a lot of you throw out our constitutional right to freedom of speech and how Joe Wilson had every right to interrupt a Presidential Address. For a party that preaches morality, this seems highly contrary. Someone else posted a very wonderful comparison in that if someone in our military were to interrupt a commanding officer the way Joe Wilson interrupted our highest ranking commanding officer, disciplinary action would be swift and just. Why should it not be so here? Joe Wilson certainly has the right to his opinion and the right to voice that opinion, but he should have done it in the most suitable setting for such an argument. Now should he be forced out of his job for slipping up? No way. Letting your emotions get the best of you every now and then is no excuse for dismissal or being bullied out of your job, but something should be done, or perhaps we'll just see a further decline in the behavior of our elected officials and the way our Government runs.
Jake Maczuga - 15 years ago
I find it completely laughable to hear NPR's and all the democrats' angst over Joe Wilson's comment during the Obama speech (By the way, what a waste of airtime!) . You never seemed to get too agitated when the democrats and their media cronies attacked George Bush ever more viciously.
I for one will contribute to Rep. Joe Wilson's campaign fund. Obama and the democrats' unbridled attempt to push through their healthcare 'overhaul' agenda is obviously without bounds and needs to be thwarted. They've already screwed up most of the economy and it's only a matter of time before these bums are removed from Congress and the White House. Thank God, 2010 is just around the corner.
More republicans, at least those that truly are conservative, should have voiced similar sentiments about Mr. Obama's bald faced lies about his brazen attempts to nationalize healthcare and further tax Americans out of house and home. Speech the last time I looked is still free, but maybe the democrats will seek to change that as well. That's what all good commies do!
While I don't agree with NPR, I do listen because it gives such complete insight into our own brand of American communism. For me, I'm still hanging onto God and my guns. Because after speech, the Second Amendment is in danger.
Tom Hanks - 15 years ago
Just because you have the Freedom to Say Whatever you wish doesn't mean you always should. Everybody knows that and it's almost nonsense to believe it isn't. You can't yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater - A teacher can't call a child a filthy name - an attorney can not swear back at the plantiff - there are rules to society.
The halls of congress are meant for civil debate - there are RULES of ORDER and proceadure that everybody in that joint sessom knows.. or should know - to break them direspects the institution the institution itself.
Can you imagine congress - or any meeting - or debate without such rules? It would be anarchy.
There is a time to respond - and that is built into the system - the response - just after the president speaks. The presidents speech was sent out in advance - and I'm sure was read by all members of congress in advance - and a proper and civil response by the republicans was given at the proper time.
So, YES there absolutely should be a punishment for breaking the rules of the congress.
Byron - 15 years ago
Joe Wilson broke his *OWN PARTY's* rules on decorum & civility:
Quote: The precedents of the House allow a wide latitude in criticism of the President, other executive officials, and the government itself. However, it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a “hypocrite” or a “liar.”
If the Republicans had a single ounce of credibility they'd keep their own house in order and punish Joe Wilson themselves. The Democrats should not be called upon to punish him, but if the Republicans fail to do what is right and proper by their own standards the House at large should censure the entire House Republican minority.
IVO - 15 years ago
There's a time and a place for everything. Rep Joe Wilson was definetly out of line with his derogatory outburst and his apology seems less than sincere. How can he be chastised? Hopefully next time around at the polls. Until then it's the game of politics as usual. But there's a new sheriff in town and he's dead serious about change and improving our lives. President Obama continues to get my vote of confidence!!
Bobo - 15 years ago
Joe Wilson should be hung by the neck until dead.
How dare he question the all powerful and all knowing Obama.
He should sit down and "shut up" like the rest of us and take his medicine.
Illegals have been receiving health care for a long time now, WHY would anyone believe this will change?
Rick - 15 years ago
To "Katyafox" and others who ignorantly believe that this is exclusively about the poor uninsured people of this country. Money and healthcare are just decoys. The real issue is socialism. You've been sucker-punched by a cunning, clever and crafty politician. In 1961, Ronald Reagan joined the American Medical Association in opposing the Democratic Party’s attempt to force socialized medicine on the American people. President Reagan’s advice is just as relevant today as it was then. In part, he warned:
“One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. … Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.” – Ronald Reagan
This 10-minute audio of Reagan's speech is not for the faint-hearted: www.action.afa.net/videos/reagan/
Wilsonisanembarrassment - 15 years ago
There is free speech, and there is shouting when the adults are talking. The adults are back in charge now, so the childlike Republicans need to be quiet until it is their turn to talk.
And since it turns out that Joe Wilson never even read the bill, and that it specifically states that no insurance will be given to illegal immigrants, he just looks stupid. Maybe that is punishment enough.
The real winner is Rob Miller who is running against Wilson - he's raised over $300,000 since Joe mad a fool of himself and the entire Republican party.
The entire country now sees the Republicans as crazy little children.
Chris M. - 15 years ago
For eight years all we heard from conservatives was, "Respect the office". Now they are celebrating just the opposite. Typical about-face response from a desperate party.
Rick - 15 years ago
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Joe Wilson, unlike the other members of Congress, has the brass to do (and say) something. Someone should have been shouting "You lie!" at least once every 5 minutes. “How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” (Samuel Adams). Socialist Obama cloaks himself in the trappings of democracy, but has no intention of honoring the oath he took to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. The rules have changed because Freedom is at stake. The day of limp-wristed, panty-waisted, sycophanticism as an excuse for “decorum” by state representatives is OVER. South Carolina ought to be proud (www.goooh.com)!
Steven Winegar - 15 years ago
I praise the man for having the brass balls that each and everyone of us needs to have. This nation would not be in the shape it is in if more people would take the opportunity to express themselves clearly and candidly. Political correctness is a stumbling block to the success and prosperity of this Republic. We were never founded as or were intented to be a Democracy.
If the voices of our founders had been silenced as the British tried to silence them. There would be no United State of America. It would have remained completely under the control of the common wealth. Which in all reality has been returned to by secrecy, coersion and deceit.
low966hb - 15 years ago
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."-----
EVER HEARD OF THIS?
Kathy Steele said:
Joe Wilson committed an indefensible, shameful, disrespectful act toward the President of the United States in a public forum. If a child had spoken thusly to a teacher or principal in school, he would be expelled. If a military officer had done so when a general was speaking: I can't imagine what would have happened. Disagreement and strenuous debate are healthy, but this juvenile and disgusting behavior from a member of Congress is far beyond the pale. Punishment is necessary to raise the level of discourse and bring respect and decorum back to politics.........
THIS MAN IS NOT EVEN A US CITIZEN, WHY SHOULD WE CARE.
Gordon Langston - 15 years ago
More important than the words of Joe Wilson are whether in fact the bill would allow illegal aliens the same rights as citizens or legal aliens. If the bill has no vetting process for claimants and all it takes is a claim on a form that you were born in the US with no mandated evidence or investigation, then I would say Joe Wilson's claim is closer to the truth than his deniers. If the bill contains the SAVE program to determine eligibility then supporters, including Obama might more truthfully claim it will not support use by illegal aliens. The SAVE program got voted down by one vote.
I'd say Joe Wilson is leading for the present.
roberts rules of order - 15 years ago
Perhaps those of you who are clamoring that Rep. Wilson was exercising his free speech rights need a gentle reminder about the order of business in Congress.
Maybe you weren't watching when Speaker of the House gave the "floor" to President Obama? When she did that it was under a very specific routine of events that dictate how things happen in both the House of Representatives and the US Senate. When someone "has the floor" they are given the right to speak without interruption. Everyone else exercises good manners and reserves questions or statements for a time after that person is done ... IF it is appropriate.
In point of fact, because we have three separate branches of government, the President is not automatically granted the privilege of speaking to both houses of Congress, but must request that he be allowed to do so. When he is granted that privilege, it is considered good manners (regardless of your political persuasion) to listen attentively.
Yes, it was also appalling that some Democrats chose to boo during Bush's speeches in the past. However, it must be noted that they did so during periods when other members of Congress were clapping.
You must be careful about how you go about expressing your desires for free speech during this time. As I recall it was not too terribly long ago that when people on the left end of the spectrum questioned a right leaning president during war-time (and I believe we are still at war in two theaters), we were told that it was treasonous. But now it has somehow become patriotic because it is right-leaning people who are doing it? I am more than a little confused ...
To me it would seem that either one can engage in free speech and question authority during war-time because we live in a nation where free speech is a sacred value. Or one cannot. But it should not merely depend upon one's political affiliation. Now should it.
Charles Belk - 15 years ago
Why should he be punished for speaking his mind, this is still America, at least so far, or until you guys and Obama get your way and don't allow dissenting views. He should be rewarded for what he said. Obama's numbers don't add up, even a child with rudimentary math skills could come to that conclusion. We need more politicians with passion like that about the state of and the future of our country. I plan to give a generous donation to Mr. Wilson's campaign this election cycle.
Arturo Martinez - 15 years ago
He should be made to prove his statement correct or to admit that he is the one who is lying.
katyafox - 15 years ago
What a sad, sad day in America - that an elected official, a supposed role model and leader of a constituency - that Joe Wilson could call the President of the United States, in the middle of an address to Congress, a liar. I'm personally appalled and I hope Congress will censure. The anger on this man's face said it all. How can anyone in our nation believe it's OK to have 43 million uninsured? Who does Joe Wilson think is paying for the uninsured? We all are already.
Jen - 15 years ago
I think what Joe Wilson said was right on the money, because it was what most people were thinking at the time! i know i was shouting at the TV at the same time saying "Thats a lie!"... I have read the bill, and it does give illegal immigrants coverage, and also exempts them from the tax!
I am sick of the double standard too.. Where was the MSM when Bush was heckled during his speech's to Congress???
Its a right of every AMERICAN for freedom of speech.. yes maybe in this PC nation, it was not the right time, but boy i got up so fast from my chair when he said it in agreement!!!!!!!!! So Right on Joe Wilson.. Right on!
Disgusted - 15 years ago
At 42 seconds into the video Obama calls those who challenge his health care reform ideas liars, specifically radio and cable talk show hosts as well as "prominent politicians". He calls their accusations of "death panels" a "Lie, plain and simple" and gets a standing ovation. Yet when Joe Wilson does basically the same thing in the same forum, unscripted and maybe with just a tad more emotion, the Dems call for his resignation! Double standard? I think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHKSHvMRWE
Zeb - 15 years ago
Cynthia Mckinney can beat down a security officer with her cell phone, but a white, male, republican can't speak his mind?
JohnK - 15 years ago
I guess that all of you are so offended, must have been equally offended when Bush was booed by the dem's at the 2005 state of the union address. Hypocrites.....
Andy - 15 years ago
Joe Wilson merely put words to what the majority were thinking. I have a copy of that bill on my desk. Everything Obama said was false, was itself a Lie. Joe Wilson should not apologize. The rest of the Republican Party should apologize for pretending to be Men.
Mia - 15 years ago
Huh? Where was this outcry for respect and decorum when the libs were heckling Bush? Nowhere, because most of us understand that it's our right to disagree with our President and to express that disagreement - even for members of Congress. Much like Hillary's rant about the right to disagree with ANY administration. Libs and Dems can cry all they want - tough. If Obama can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. It's only going to get worse, and I'm adding my voice to the chorus....OBAMA IS A LIAR!!!
MM - 15 years ago
A lot of the comments here infer that "childish behavior" should be punished. America, however, is founded on the belief that government, particularly one person in government, should not control a citizen's freedoms. Rep. Wilson's unprecedented behavior (i.e. speaking out in a Presidential address) should not be confused with derogatory or dangerous speech (which should be limited).
Obama is not a king, a dictator, nor a God, and furthermore, his branch of government does not rank above the Congress. The Representatives can speak freely (within the law) without punishment, even if it that speech does not fit the social setting.
Michael R. Russell - 15 years ago
I am ashamed that our level of political discourse has descended to this sordid state. While I disagreed with almost everything George W. Bush did and said during his term of office, I would never countenance heckling a president in House or Senate chambers by anyone--especially by a member of one of the two bodies. I am also fearful for our wonderful land: The level of ignorance fueling vitriolic comments on health care reform--including many in this venue--is evidence of the sad state of American education. As an independent, I voted for both Democratic and Republican candidates in the most recent general election. However, the party of Lincoln sounds more and more like the party of John Wilkes Booth--certainly not a party I can support. I grieve for my beloved country; but, given the eloquent and visionary speech delivered last night, I am determined to help improve the lot of so many of my fellow citizens by supporting with civility the health care reform policies of President Obama.
Bonnie - 15 years ago
"Freedom of speech" does not justify Rep. Wilson's behavior. He showed a total lack of respect for the Office of the President and if we allow his behavior to go unpunished, we send a terrible message to our children and will certainly deserve the future we find ourselves in down the road.
Patriot - 15 years ago
THANK YOU JOE....for seaking up for Americans who want real change
and not just Re-packaging and Re-Distribution of WEALTH under the guise
of Healthcare reform. It is is not about Healthcare or Reform.
MAY GOD BLESS THE USA!
American - 15 years ago
Land of the Free, home of the Brave
................Except when you question authority
Joe Schmoe - 15 years ago
"DARLA R HOLLIDAY
2009-09-10 13:24:14 ET
I "WAS" A republican. I have since changed my party affiliation due to the ongoing embarrassment of the out of control Republican Party! What in GODS NAME is wrong with you people? I have NEVER seen,in all my 50 years, the disrespect and just plain HATRED of this party! I can understand not agreeing with the president, but the example the Republican party is setting for the young people in this is awful! You should be ashamed of yourselves! What exactly are you trying to prove? You've got a big mouth? Your a bully? Is this the example of a mature adult you want your children to grow up to be? I'm embarrassed for you ALL! "
Yeah, SURE you were!! Guess what? You LIE!! Just like your Liar in Chief! You've ALWAYS been a dumbacrat, and will ALWAYS be a dumbacrat! If you want to see hatred and divisiveness, look at your OWN party (dumbacrat)!
Thank God some of the sheeple are waking up to the dumbacratic lies and the cheerleading, non-negative O'Bozo reporting mainstream media!
No need to be embarassed for us all, be embarassed for yourself... You need it!
John Owen - 15 years ago
Obama's remark was simply disingenuous, i.e. a lie. The fact is the bill does not amend, supersede, or rescind current law regarding providing care to illegal aliens at public hospitals. It is indisputable Obama did call critics of the bill liars moments before Wilson's outburst. It is indisputable some of the same Democrat legislators piously intoning disgust at Wilson's remark also mocked President Bush and called him a liar during a session of Congress. People who want to punish Wilson for speaking out are petty lovers of tyranny.
Mark - 15 years ago
Minority of Minorities. First of all I don't know for sure if it will or it won't, but it is much better then doing what we have been doing for the last 60 yrs or so. As for unemployment, that is a direct result of the conditions left by the last administration. And if you think that the majority of the politicians in that room last night. Including the idiot that could not hold his tongue have not lied on their taxes you are delusional!
Laz - 15 years ago
02/02/05 Some Democrats booed during the State of the Union Address while President Bush was talking about Social Security. They specifically booed while he was stating that Social Security will go bankrupt by the year 2042.
Okay for thee, but not for me?
derekcrane - 15 years ago
Why would you punish someone who tells the truth. Obama is fully aware that the existing House bill contains no mechanism to verify the required social security number needed to receive benefits. Any illegal can give a number that is floating around the community assured that no one will check on its validity. Free health care! Proof of the Democrats' intent: Their votes to prevent any amendment (eg: The Heller Amendment) from closing this massive loophole. Close the loophole and Joe wilson has no reason to call Obama a liar. derekcrane
Minority of Minorities - 15 years ago
Mark -Minority of Minorities I know you not trying to say that what the PRESIDENT did last night was talking down to people! Especially when he was trying to clear the air of politicians that spewed lies for the interest of lobbiest. Let's be real first of all about the fight on Health care. It has nothing to do with government control. It is about money and big business monopoly!
No, he only front them out called them lying about his healthcare. His healthcare reform will not cost us anything, HE WILL NOT SIGN ANYTHING THAT WILL ADD TO THE... HE WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE. How on earth is he going to insure these 46 mil uninsured w/o adding to the budget. ILLEGALS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET HEALTHCARE NOT ON HIS WATCH. He still blaming Bush, unemployment dropped. Of course they have to settle for less wages so how is that helping? Wow, typical lawyer/politicians talking. "Transparency" yet most of the people that worked for him either cheat or lied about their taxes but they're not Unamerican, just the people that disagree with him. What a laugh!
Jay - 15 years ago
It's telling that the comments for or against are as partisan as the debate and equally uncivil, atleast from the right. I am a huge fan of the President and his current policies redirecting a sinking ship handed to him by 8 years of incompetence. That said, Congressman Wilson should not be punished. Not because of free speech but rather in the name of healthy debate. Was his statement helpful? Probably not, but if you have ever witnessed UK Parliament on CSPAN the PM in this case does not get a free pass and must defend his/her position. The stifling of dissent, like that which we witnessed under the Bush Administration does nothing to move a democracy forward. Open debate, preferably civil debate is getting lost...as shown with many of the comments on this site.
Ross - 15 years ago
Wilson's site crashed because of the number of people calling to congratulate him for finally challenging the Liar in Chief. The donations he receives may well eclipse this cute headline.
The folks around here seem to forget that the Dems called G. W. Bush a liar during a State of the Union Speech, Booed Him, and at the conclusion of his speech, sat in a show of disrespect. Perhaps its time that we have a more open discussion than factless drivel presented by this Administration that is couched as soaring rhetoric by a lapdog media.
Melinda - 15 years ago
Kathy Steele - Joe Wilson committed an indefensible, shameful, disrespectful act toward the President of the United States in a public forum.
~~~~~~~~
Oh, really ? Should the Congressmembers who did this to Pres. Bush ALSO
have been sanctioned or removed from their positions ?
"Democrats were pretty rough on George W. Bush during a joint sessions a few years back.
Two examples:
In 2004, Democrats delivered a “Chorus Of Boos” during Bush's Bush’s State Of The Union when he called for renewal of the Patriot Act., according to the Washington Times.
In 2005, Dems howled, hissed and shouted "No!" when Bush pushed for Social Security reform in the SOU: "Foreshadowing the contentiousness of the coming debate, Democrats broke decorum and booed twice," according to the National Journal.
At the time, CNN's Bill Schneider remarked, “It was unusual. I had never heard it at least at that level before. The Democrats clearly were booing, heckling, saying no when the president talked about the crisis in Social Security."
Free speech is one thing, but this was one of those yelling, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater type moments. Wrong place and wrong time. The President had the floor and all Mr. Wilson did was offer a rude interruption at the worst of worst moments. What bothers me most is that is the sort of thing you see in parliaments around the world, not in Congress here at home. Our Congress, while at time passionate and heated, has always held a level of decorum that far exceeded that of other nations and I've always felt it was a level other countries should look up to. We are a nation of divided interests, passions, emotions, faiths, but we are united toward a common goal, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness... Our unity is based, in part, on the idea that we all have a right to speak freely but that right doesn't allow someone to infringe on someone else's right to do the same.
Mr. Wilson does have the right to speak his mind, but he doesn't trump Mr. Obama. And Mr. Obama's right to speak freely doesn't trump Mr. Wilson's either, however, Mr. Obama had the floor.
It is the infringement on the President's allotted time to address Congress that makes Mr. Wilson's comments wrong. It doesn't even matter what he said. He could have started chanting, "OH-BA-MA!" or reciting nursery rhymes and it wouldn't have mattered. Mr. Wilson reverted to an elementary school student who interrupts the teacher during story time. It was a very poor play, bad form, and even though he made some bleak apology (which, I suspect, was probably coerced by others in his party) he needs to be censured for it.
Although, I think it would be a great play if the President turned the other cheek and invited him to the White House for a private sit down chat... Mr. Wilson made a great faux pas and of Obama really wants to use engagement rather than isolation in his policies, this would be a perfect moment to "engage" the other side of the debate on health care.
Let them come, say their piece, and maybe common ground can be agreed upon.
monte - 15 years ago
How about when the Dems booed President Bush during the SOTU address????
You two faced demonrats have a short memory, don't you?
atlas shrugged - 15 years ago
If he should be punished then so should Rangel, Dodd and most of the other dems that are NOT following LAWS - IRS LAWS and they have gotten away from it. This guy just did something that for some reason - you didn't like. He didn't break any LAW. it's shameful that this is even a question.
Minority of Minorities - 15 years ago
I don't have a party, everytime i vote i used my vote carefully. I vote for what's good of America, as a refugee you valued your freedom and the rights that America given you differently. Didn't vote for Bush 1st time, but vote for him 2nd time because I don't want to see Iraq as another Vietnam War. I'm not rich so i can't be Republican, not too poor so i can't be Democrat. Yes i am middle income. I can't be racist cause I'm not black or white (which is laughable statement, if you disagree with Obama you're a racist or unamerican). I earned my citizenship, i worked 3 jobs to take care of my family and not once taking advantage of free healthcare. I am here legally and refused to take free rides (Call it pride but i am grateful for what America had given us) and feel it's our duties to make sure America will not become China.
Mark - 15 years ago
Minority of Minorities I know you not trying to say that what the PRESIDENT did last night was talking down to people! Especially when he was trying to clear the air of politicians that spewed lies for the interest of lobbiest. Let's be real first of all about the fight on Health care. It has nothing to do with government control. It is about money and big business monopoly!
John F. - 15 years ago
During the last administration, the "right" to free speech was severely curtailed... both aggressively by the then-government and by proxy, courtesy of the lackies who stomped on even whispered dissent as un-American.
So yes, I too am glad to see that free speech is once again a recognized and protected right. But what prior generations of parents taught but those that raised Joe Wilson must not have is that every right comes with responsibility.
Just because you CAN say what's on your mind doesn't mean shouting it out in a public forum... and for God's sake, yelling at the President in the middle of a nationally televised speech... is at all appropriate.
Joe Wilson is welcome to write editorials. He's welcome to make speeches during daily sessions. He's probably welcome, as a Congressman, to even contact members of Obama's staff or Obama himself to make his feelings known.
But those of you who think you're doing your anti-Obama cause any favors by saying what he did was laudable... are embarrassing yourselves and weakening your party.
Wayne Fugate - 15 years ago
Wilson should have just thrown his shoe at him!
Rebecca Wooldridge - 15 years ago
Need you ask? Of course(!) he should be punished! Responsible adults know there is a time & place for speaking one's mind. Mr. Wilson showed us that not only was he out of control but also that he is so ignorant, arrogant. He holds a position of high authority in this country yet doesn't feel he needs to show due respect to the President of the United States, a position of higher authority, as well as to the American public. The whole world has seen the kind of classlessness & incompetence holding one of our Congressional seats. How embarrassing for us all! I have to wonder, how he got through our school system & half way decent upbringing without learning to keep his mouth shut until it's his turn to speak? And that, my friends, is NOT denying a person their Freedom of Speech!!
Gary King - 15 years ago
This is exciting - a member of congress actually being interested enough in a topic to express emotion. Perhaps the comment was in poor taste being in the setting of congress but it was not made in the "Political Correctness" of the occasion. He should be given the same treatment by both parties that the speaker of the house made in reference to the CIA's aledged misleadings. The people of South Carolina is fortunate to have a caring representative of this stature. "GO JOE"
N.E. Dem - 15 years ago
Of course, Conservative Voice, you must know that "The Dems have done this in the past" (re: Kathy's comments), because you were there to hear it directly. Just another illogical Repub making stupid statements.
Mylon Watterud - 15 years ago
I don't care if you say freedom of speech or not. He holds an office and should have respect for our president that is trying so hard to better our country. Thanks for all your hard work MR. President
Charlestonian - 15 years ago
Joe Wilson is definitely being punished. I, and other South Carolinians, will do our best to see that he is not re-elected. I made a contribution to his opponent shortly after Wilson's remark. His rudeness and lack of civility have no place in Congress. So, he let his emotions get the best of him. He shouldn't have. If he opposes Obama's plan he should put that energy into a positive effort to defeat the plan and not into childish name calling. Good behavior and respect for others should be a given - everywhere!
Minority of Minorities - 15 years ago
It's Ok for Obama to talk down at people, but it's not OK for Rep. Wilson to express his feelings. What happened to Freedom of Speech, even if you're in the classroom and you don't agree with the teacher, aren't you entitle to at least question the teacher. If Obama isn't lying, he shouldn't have to worry. What's wrong here is that people think it's OK for blackman to talk down at people but it's not Ok for a white man to front him out. Even if he's the president if he's wrong he should be called out. That's the beauty of United States of America. Maybe Rep. Wilson can called Obama up and have a beer.
shirley - 15 years ago
have we lost all civility? free speech does not mean the absence of good manners. mr. wilson, your bigotry is showing. would you have done that to george bush if you did not agree with him?
Conservative Voice - 15 years ago
Please Kathy wake up and smell the coffee! The Dems have done this in the past, it just wasn't caught on tape!
Conservative Voice - 15 years ago
I applaud Rep Wilson for speaking the minds of millions of Americans. He is a true representative of what Americans would love to say if we were given a chance.
Why can't everyone realize that what the President said last night was rubbish, rhetoric and ear candy! He didn't propose anything significant for health care!
AND of course Nancy Pelosi looks shocked, wake up America!!!
I applaud Rep Wilson!
Thank you for representing America!
Beth - 15 years ago
Kathy Steele- your comment says it all. Well said!!
Mark - 15 years ago
Where was all this passion when we were dragged into a war for all the wrong reasons. Where was all this anger when our phone calls were tapped illegally. Why did no one yell out in congress with Enron or Worldcom! Republicans expressed at the begining of this administration that they wanted to work with the President. What happened to all that unity.
Monica - 15 years ago
As Rahm Emmanuel said, no one has ever done such a thing to another President. I know that others will poo-poo this but, what fuels Wilson's belief that he could speak this way to Obama in this forum, get away with it and in fact get support for it from the people that matter to him was a deep seated sense of superiority and privileged. His lack of respect for Obama, in spite of the office he holds is a symptom of RACISM. As far as Wilson is concerned, nothing Obama has accomplished or represents can make him truly worthy of Wilson's respect because to Wilson, Obama is, above all, a BLACK MAN and to many in the South, and elsewhere, that means he is inferior to him and can be dismissed without fear. I AM SICK OF IT and all the Republicans who tacitly or otherwise support this behavior, the behavior of those who made outbursts at the town hall meetings and even supported the presence of gun toting crazies at various venues, KNOW they are tapping into and encouraging the racism many whites posses and nourish. They hold onto this, one of the last remaining delusions that comfort them, as the world crumbles around them....money tight, families under stress, "retirement" nothing but a pipe dream. BUT they can bolster themselves, just a bit, hating on those blacks and the rest of the OTHERS who are taking over their country. Never mind that the majority of these people would benefit significantly from the Administration's policies. They'd rather choke down mud from a white man's hand than crystal clear water from a black man's and sadly, that just the way it is.
George Mims - 15 years ago
Oh My! You ask this question? Where were you when Democrats heckeled George Bush publicly and in these once "hallowed" halls of Congress??? Joe Wilson answered with the truth...Illegal Immigrants ARE on the agenda to be covered... Read the Bill!
William Crew - 15 years ago
I do not believe Rep. Joe Wilson should be punished.. I someone does not tell the truth, whether it's you, me, or the President of the United States he should be called on it.. I read someones post, they used the example of military soilder or a student and teacher. Well this is not the military and Obama is not the teacher.. Very bad examples.. Obama is there to guide them. They are there to protect and defend us.. They are our voice. They should all remember they are ELECTED officials... There are way to many LONGTERM people in congress.. We need new fresh ideas.. These ladies and gentlmen have been there 25-30 yrs.. TOO LONG...
JLHarris - 15 years ago
Freedom of speech my BEHIND! Everyone wants to use "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" when it's convenient for them. The whole party looked pretty silly sitting there looking like statues last night. Get over it people! The last eight years have been HELL! President Obama has a tough job ahead of him, let's work with him, not against him. If we all stop looking at the color of his skin, we can all move forward. Punish Joe Wilson's rude A$$!!!!
DARLA R HOLLIDAY - 15 years ago
I "WAS" A republican. I have since changed my party affiliation due to the ongoing embarrassment of the out of control Republican Party! What in GODS NAME is wrong with you people? I have NEVER seen,in all my 50 years, the disrespect and just plain HATRED of this party! I can understand not agreeing with the president, but the example the Republican party is setting for the young people in this is awful! You should be ashamed of yourselves! What exactly are you trying to prove? You've got a big mouth? Your a bully? Is this the example of a mature adult you want your children to grow up to be? I'm embarrassed for you ALL!
Bob in Michigan - 15 years ago
Representative Wilson's outburst was another example of the continuing deline in civility in our country. Regardless of one's views on the health care reform issue, it was a shocking display of boorish behavior. For those who defend it (or worse yet, cheer it on), I simply ask "would you speak this way to an authority figure in a formal setting? Or, would you tolerate this if someone spoke to you this way in a similar setting?" I guess it's not surprising considering how shock jocks on both the left and right fill our airwaves with their rude blather but can we please remember what we were taught in kindergarten or what the golden rule is all about?
Democrats are using their top Hill committee in an attempt to level the financial playing field against Congressman Joe Wilson in what will undoubtedly be the most expensive U.S. House race of 2010.
In a new 60-second radio spot, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) attacks Wilson for opposing President Barack Obama’s attempts to impose a massive overhaul of the U.S. financial regulatory system. If government reform was only as easy as buying bridal accessories things life would be easier.
Rep. Joe Wilson, using his increased national profile from his "you lie!" yell at President Barack Obama, introduced a bill Tuesday requiring that a special board be set up to track the number of jobs created by the $787 billion economic stimulus plan, including medical supplies.
Wilson, R-S.C., said his legislation had drawn 10 co-sponsors in advance of a news conference he scheduled for Wednesday at the U.S. Capitol.
"This is the people's money," Wilson told McClatchy Newspapers. "Americans should understand what the billions and billions of dollars are being spent for."
The reporting last month on www.recovery.gov, the Obama administration's official stimulus Web site, of thousands of jobs in nonexistent congressional districts drew days of ridicule until it was corrected.
It is clear evidence of the left's hypocrisy, intolerance, and tyrannical approach to opponents that they even suggest that he should be reprimanded, disapproved, censured, or whatever term you want to use. For years they booed, called the President a liar, accused him of treason, and made baseless and theatrical calls for impeachment merely because Bush stood up for his principles. And now they have the chutzpah to "disapprove" when someone dares to speak the truth about Dear Leader. In a way it's a good thing...it lays bare their chilling intentions to oppress all dissent.
The Republican Party Has a lot of work to do Because they have to give formation to their partisan,, other wise they will be out of power for a long time, EveryBody sees more Hate in the republican party they don't like immigrant, they don't like latino,they ask for no immigration reform,, they only see themself. people don't have healthcare ,The President trying to help everyone to afforde healthcare But Republican talk apposite,I am telling you people the more you stand against things that will be good for the people the less popular you are..
I was really surprise to see the Behavior of Joe Wilson,, That is a Shame taht will stay for ever for his family. Joe is not a good example for anybody.
Iam so desappointed because I was voted for him I'am a resident of South Carolina, I feel ambarasse for Him,,, OBAMa IS THE PRESIDENT OF EVERY body, OUR President is a Great man everyone should respect him.
The word is watching the US. Joe should punish,so every one can be careful and reacting an wise way with the President of the USA.
COMING FROM THE UK WE ARE USED TO THIS BUT THIS WAS NOT THE TIME AND PLACE AND ALL THOSE SAYING THAT THIS REDNECK FOOL WAS SPEAKING FOR THE PEOPLE THEN WHO DO THEY THINK THE ELECTED PRESIDENT IS SPEAKING FOR?
IF OBAMA HAD SHOUTED THIS AT BUSH WHAT WOULD THE REPUBLICANS BE SAYING AND IF EVERYONE STARTED SHOUTING THEN THE SPEECH WOULDNT GET DONE AT ALL!
THE GUY HAS ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG I THINK THAT SAYS IT ALL!
None of the democrats who interupted Bush's speeches by drowning himn out, which Obama participated in were punished. So if we punish this man for speaking the truth then we are truly no longer American
One other thing, this is why most Americans thinks that the Republican party is a joke.
Joe Wilson needs to be punished for his total lack of respect for our President. President Obama gave a speech to congress and with Joe Wilson saying what he said I thought I was watching one of those town hall meetings.
I see Joe Wilson is trying to stop heath care reform completely. He says he is against goverment run health care. So since he gets goverment run health care I wonder will he give that up.
No! He does not need to be punished. He needs to be saluted for speaking up when no others are brave enough to give their HONEST opinion of the president's tired, old news....
His outburst was rude, unprecedented, uncalled for, and against House rules long observed by all civilized members of ALL political parties. CIVIL disagreement is the basis of democratic debate. Wilson's behavior was UNCIVIL, and he should be severely censured by the House.
Give Joe a medal!!!
This is an another attempt by the Dem's to try and misdirect critism of the President's and Dem's poorly put together health care plan. Tthe Dem's believe that when they lie no one should call them on it. Hypocrites
There is a time and place for feedback. No one is taking Joe Wilson's freedom of speech away. Feedback at a joint assembly of Congress is not the place for feedback. The Honorable Joe Wilson deserves no such title. If you think you represent your state, beware of the focus group of one. ‘Shame on you, Joey Wilson,’ for your uncontrollable childish outburst. How do you expect to serve your state now? I feel sorry for the intelligent people of South Carolina.
joe wilson should be punished for calling the president a lie.give the president some respect.i cant call my supervisor a lie a get away with it so he no better than me.but he thinks he is.he needs to be punished.
He echoed what millions of Americans are thinking and quite frankly I applaud him for it. More Republicans and independents, even Democrats should be saying this to the President because he is lying. He is misleading the country and it's high time someone called him on it publicly. Democrats booed President Bush in 2005 and there wasn't this outrage. By the way, the President doesn't warrant respect because he holds the office, he warrants respect because of the kind of man that he is. Because of the kind of actions he takes. This man is not honest, he's not telling the truth and he cannot be trusted. It is our elected officials duty to call him on this. We have not seen this kind of president in our entire history, one that wants to push us so quickly to Socialism, and it is socialism.
Why should he be punished? What Democrats were punished for doing similar things when Bush was in office? None. If Obama wants a government where the dialog is a one way street, he shouldn't have run for the office of President of the US.
Even though what Joe said might have been a little overreactive he still has the right to a freedom of speech so there is nothing to charge or get him punished for.
If he handles this right Wilson (and the Republicans) can turn this around to be advantageous and help expose the misrepresentation of Obama and the Dems. For instance, with the exposure he is going to get (free exposure) Rep Wilson can command the stage and explain WHY (with details of course) he did it. The mistake would be to shrink from it.
If Senator Joe Wilson should resign, then President Obama should also. President Obama was just saying that others were lying. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare
Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrol lment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: **Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory**. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life
resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
The only medical services that they don't want to ration are
abortion and assisted suicide!
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html
You may be able to follow this...that is if you can read and you're not just a Democratic robot.
Oh, and the person that had to throw in the "RACE CARD" isn't that just typical. Can't tell the truth about anyone of color without the "race card" being played....Shame on you.
This is just the tip of the 1100 pages…
Here, is an easy reading of what's exactly in Obama's
Health bill.
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care **will be rationed**!
• Page 30: A **government committee** will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process).
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health
benefits for you. You **will have no choice**. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided
with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The **federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts** for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans **must conform to government rules** to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the
Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for
services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically
enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. **No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly.**
Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the **government will set wages**.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167:Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is **exempt from individual taxes** (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: **_Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records_**.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their
professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial
admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input:
You guys who are in support of "censure" are forgetting that the Dimokrats BOOED and HECKLED President Bush at his STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS in 2005. I didn't hear any talk of censure then. I guess all of you HYPOCRITES must not have thought THAT WASN'T blatantly disrespectful. MORONS!
Instead if talking about this NONSENSE, why not focus on the fact that Obama WAS IN FACT LYING!! Though no bill specifically says it WILL cover illegals, the dems insisted on removing ALL REQUIREMENTS that would make a person prove he/she is a citizen in order to receive subsidies and insurance coverage. I gues you could call it the DON'T ASK DON'T TELL in the insurance sector.
Get a grip. Anyone know that ACORN was busted in an undercover expose trying to help a "prostitute" and her "pimp" get a mortgage and, KNOWINGLY, and also told them to NOT FILE TAXES to avoid them? They also advised these folks to not report the 13 underage girls they were bringing over from El Salvador to be sex slaves. And the Federal Govt, aka BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, is funneling BILLIONS of dollars to ACORN, and is even putting ACORN in charge of the 2010 Census, which will count illegals???????
And all you can talk about is some BRAVE representative, who has HAD ENOUGH of the BULLCRAP LIES emanating from our PRESIDENT and calling him on it??? Our country really is screwed.
This poll is being hit in an organized way by Democrat Underground, in response to this call to skew this poll.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6514252
Some ppl r so stupid in here. Illegals r getting help from your stupid self right now as we speak. They can go the ER and get any med care they want. Stop this bull.....and the pres was born right here on American soil so stop your hate speech....
I think punishment is completely appropriate. A number of you have insisted that Rep. Wilson's "freedom of speech" should fully allow him to make such disruptive remarks. I disagree entirely. Like all of our Constitutional Amendments, they do not provide blanket permission to act as one wishes, in this case, with total disrespect for the Office of the President. Whether or not you agree with the President's health care objectives is irrelevant. When OUR President addresses Congress and the Country, we listen. Period. Debate, dialogue, and discussion come afterward.
Stop the blatant disrespect for the President and the Office.
Yes! He acted like he was in 5th grade. There is always a time and place for everything. This never happened before and there is no need for Rep party to start disrespecting a president that was elected by the people. He acted like it was a town hall meeting...
You right wing nut-jobs are hilarious. It would have been funnier if that redneck had thrown his shoes at Obama instead of just yelling "you lie." Frankly, I think he should be punished for being an idiot - which was the case long before he disrupted the president's speech. But, that's just my opinion.
What A lot of people here aren't getting is that that was NOT the time or place to say anything like that the the commander in chief. No matter who the President is at the time.
(oh yeah, he was wrong anyway, so he just makes himself look like a fool)
Give the man a medal - read the house bill - its in there, right along with the "panel" of government bureacrats who will decide who, what, when and where we get treatment. A teaching of the Church states that we have a fundamental right to life and rights to the necessities, food, clothing and shelter...understand this in the context as a right to ACQUIRE the MEANS of procuring for one's self and one's family those goods .....with the duty to execise virtue (diligence, thrift, charity) in every aspect of their acquisition and discharge. (It is called personal responsiblity...exactly what the President was sharing with American school children) Our goal is to LIVE and WORK; and to be looked after only in the event of real necessity. Americans want to LIVE and want to WORK and take care of their own needs and families. This administration is hell bent on putting as many of us out of work as possible. Compounding crisis intentionally so we will have more and more folks finding themselves dependent upon the government to survive. Congress and the Administration knows this. 52% of the American people have caught on. Instead of putting the power of his office behind a campaign of getting this economy back on track, our President spends his capital on campaigning for higher approval numbers. The previous President was booed by the entire Democrat attendees during the State of the Union speech in 2005. Sen. Reid has used the same term Rep. Wilson used last night in describing President Bush....where was the punishment and outrage then? Me thinks the left complains too much. We have the right to make health care decisions for self and family... not some shadow panel of so called experts....and certainly not the office of the President no matter who he or she may be. Americans are smart enough to know where the proposed plans are going to take us down the road when we struggle as a nation to keep up with the demands upon the health system...and we are passionate about something so personal and private as our health history, finances and care. Government has not got a good track record in running any of these social bureaucratic plans...Any one who submits to the control of government over their very bodies....needs to wake up and see this for what it really is. These plans undermine the stability of future generations. We not only 'get that' we will vote our convictions and happily show many of them the door and get folks in there that can give our country true health reform and get rid of the obstacles that are weakening our American free market economy. Remember folks the one who calls the tunes pays the Piper. How many really want the current congress and administration calling the tunes? When they pay the Piper it comes from our pockets and if I may borrow the Presidents comment last night, be assured people will die from this massive overreach by the government. Rep. Wilson made an honest and passionate exclamation that was heard from sea to sea and it is about time the elites are exposed for who they are. Just as Paul Revere alerted the colonies that, " The British are coming, the British are coming" The alarms have been sounded hold tight to grandpa, grandma and the babies because IN D.C,' "They are lying, They are lying". Thank you Mr. Wilson for showing the country we still have a few in congress with a spine! America suppports you and those who speak the truth.
yeah, punish free speech - wouldnt expect much else from stooges at NPR...leftist gov't mouthpieces who know where to plant their lips when obama grunts...what a joke, couldnt get a real job memmott???
There is a time and place for everything. We learn that from the earliest years of age to hold your tongue until it's your turn. It's a shame in this day and age that the contempt for a black leader makes one act so "spontaneous!" This is a clear indicator why nothing gets done under the Republicans...they lack basic self control--hence--affairs, lying, stealing and now outbursts! Keep it up--while the stupid support the stupid--the rest of us are just embarrassed!
What Mr. Wilson did was idiotic and unforgivable, and he did a good job of summarizing everything that his party has contributed to the national discussion since losing power.
But it's free speech and even though a congressman saying the same thing to bush would probably have been thrown into guantanamo, there was no law broken.
Wilson punished himself by doing it, he punished his party by doing it. Let the fool have his rewards.
I believe that this is a perfect example of freedom of speech. And Rep. Wilson expressing his first ammendment rights. Obama even stated that he wanted to hear all comments and suggestions from both parties to make this plan happen and Wilson gave his comment. Punishment seems a bit harsh, especially over such a controversial issue.
He did what every American should do when he has been lied to by an elected official. Speak up and let them know that you consider them as having lied. Quit using terms like "I misspoke". It's time for all of us to go back to telling the truth, not your version of the truth. Mr Obama has told so many lies that he has disgraced the office of the president. Respect is earned by one's behavior and can not be given simply because of the position someone is holding.
Guess some of you have forgotten Dems in Congress BOOING Pres. Bush during speeches. But that wasn't shameful, for some reason. What hypocrites you are!
Censure is called for. Although I know Obama will turn the other cheek, I still feel this should be punished.
Not only should he haven't apologized, Dems and Libs have NO say about it. It's ok when they speak their feeble minds but Conservatives and Patriots of this country shouldn't? Think NOT.
He's a big baby and needs to learn some respect. I don't agree with him at all but am so glad that we live in a country where your opinions/emotions/view etc can be voiced! He should absolutely not be punish for dissent! It's his right as it is yours
I see a lot of you throw out our constitutional right to freedom of speech and how Joe Wilson had every right to interrupt a Presidential Address. For a party that preaches morality, this seems highly contrary. Someone else posted a very wonderful comparison in that if someone in our military were to interrupt a commanding officer the way Joe Wilson interrupted our highest ranking commanding officer, disciplinary action would be swift and just. Why should it not be so here? Joe Wilson certainly has the right to his opinion and the right to voice that opinion, but he should have done it in the most suitable setting for such an argument. Now should he be forced out of his job for slipping up? No way. Letting your emotions get the best of you every now and then is no excuse for dismissal or being bullied out of your job, but something should be done, or perhaps we'll just see a further decline in the behavior of our elected officials and the way our Government runs.
I find it completely laughable to hear NPR's and all the democrats' angst over Joe Wilson's comment during the Obama speech (By the way, what a waste of airtime!) . You never seemed to get too agitated when the democrats and their media cronies attacked George Bush ever more viciously.
I for one will contribute to Rep. Joe Wilson's campaign fund. Obama and the democrats' unbridled attempt to push through their healthcare 'overhaul' agenda is obviously without bounds and needs to be thwarted. They've already screwed up most of the economy and it's only a matter of time before these bums are removed from Congress and the White House. Thank God, 2010 is just around the corner.
More republicans, at least those that truly are conservative, should have voiced similar sentiments about Mr. Obama's bald faced lies about his brazen attempts to nationalize healthcare and further tax Americans out of house and home. Speech the last time I looked is still free, but maybe the democrats will seek to change that as well. That's what all good commies do!
While I don't agree with NPR, I do listen because it gives such complete insight into our own brand of American communism. For me, I'm still hanging onto God and my guns. Because after speech, the Second Amendment is in danger.
Just because you have the Freedom to Say Whatever you wish doesn't mean you always should. Everybody knows that and it's almost nonsense to believe it isn't. You can't yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater - A teacher can't call a child a filthy name - an attorney can not swear back at the plantiff - there are rules to society.
The halls of congress are meant for civil debate - there are RULES of ORDER and proceadure that everybody in that joint sessom knows.. or should know - to break them direspects the institution the institution itself.
Can you imagine congress - or any meeting - or debate without such rules? It would be anarchy.
There is a time to respond - and that is built into the system - the response - just after the president speaks. The presidents speech was sent out in advance - and I'm sure was read by all members of congress in advance - and a proper and civil response by the republicans was given at the proper time.
So, YES there absolutely should be a punishment for breaking the rules of the congress.
Joe Wilson broke his *OWN PARTY's* rules on decorum & civility:
http://rules-republicans.house.gov/Educational/Read.aspx?ID=5
Quote: The precedents of the House allow a wide latitude in criticism of the President, other executive officials, and the government itself. However, it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a “hypocrite” or a “liar.”
If the Republicans had a single ounce of credibility they'd keep their own house in order and punish Joe Wilson themselves. The Democrats should not be called upon to punish him, but if the Republicans fail to do what is right and proper by their own standards the House at large should censure the entire House Republican minority.
There's a time and a place for everything. Rep Joe Wilson was definetly out of line with his derogatory outburst and his apology seems less than sincere. How can he be chastised? Hopefully next time around at the polls. Until then it's the game of politics as usual. But there's a new sheriff in town and he's dead serious about change and improving our lives. President Obama continues to get my vote of confidence!!
Joe Wilson should be hung by the neck until dead.
How dare he question the all powerful and all knowing Obama.
He should sit down and "shut up" like the rest of us and take his medicine.
Illegals have been receiving health care for a long time now, WHY would anyone believe this will change?
To "Katyafox" and others who ignorantly believe that this is exclusively about the poor uninsured people of this country. Money and healthcare are just decoys. The real issue is socialism. You've been sucker-punched by a cunning, clever and crafty politician. In 1961, Ronald Reagan joined the American Medical Association in opposing the Democratic Party’s attempt to force socialized medicine on the American people. President Reagan’s advice is just as relevant today as it was then. In part, he warned:
“One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. … Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.” – Ronald Reagan
This 10-minute audio of Reagan's speech is not for the faint-hearted: www.action.afa.net/videos/reagan/
There is free speech, and there is shouting when the adults are talking. The adults are back in charge now, so the childlike Republicans need to be quiet until it is their turn to talk.
And since it turns out that Joe Wilson never even read the bill, and that it specifically states that no insurance will be given to illegal immigrants, he just looks stupid. Maybe that is punishment enough.
The real winner is Rob Miller who is running against Wilson - he's raised over $300,000 since Joe mad a fool of himself and the entire Republican party.
The entire country now sees the Republicans as crazy little children.
For eight years all we heard from conservatives was, "Respect the office". Now they are celebrating just the opposite. Typical about-face response from a desperate party.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Joe Wilson, unlike the other members of Congress, has the brass to do (and say) something. Someone should have been shouting "You lie!" at least once every 5 minutes. “How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” (Samuel Adams). Socialist Obama cloaks himself in the trappings of democracy, but has no intention of honoring the oath he took to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. The rules have changed because Freedom is at stake. The day of limp-wristed, panty-waisted, sycophanticism as an excuse for “decorum” by state representatives is OVER. South Carolina ought to be proud (www.goooh.com)!
I praise the man for having the brass balls that each and everyone of us needs to have. This nation would not be in the shape it is in if more people would take the opportunity to express themselves clearly and candidly. Political correctness is a stumbling block to the success and prosperity of this Republic. We were never founded as or were intented to be a Democracy.
If the voices of our founders had been silenced as the British tried to silence them. There would be no United State of America. It would have remained completely under the control of the common wealth. Which in all reality has been returned to by secrecy, coersion and deceit.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."-----
EVER HEARD OF THIS?
Kathy Steele said:
Joe Wilson committed an indefensible, shameful, disrespectful act toward the President of the United States in a public forum. If a child had spoken thusly to a teacher or principal in school, he would be expelled. If a military officer had done so when a general was speaking: I can't imagine what would have happened. Disagreement and strenuous debate are healthy, but this juvenile and disgusting behavior from a member of Congress is far beyond the pale. Punishment is necessary to raise the level of discourse and bring respect and decorum back to politics.........
THIS MAN IS NOT EVEN A US CITIZEN, WHY SHOULD WE CARE.
More important than the words of Joe Wilson are whether in fact the bill would allow illegal aliens the same rights as citizens or legal aliens. If the bill has no vetting process for claimants and all it takes is a claim on a form that you were born in the US with no mandated evidence or investigation, then I would say Joe Wilson's claim is closer to the truth than his deniers. If the bill contains the SAVE program to determine eligibility then supporters, including Obama might more truthfully claim it will not support use by illegal aliens. The SAVE program got voted down by one vote.
I'd say Joe Wilson is leading for the present.
Perhaps those of you who are clamoring that Rep. Wilson was exercising his free speech rights need a gentle reminder about the order of business in Congress.
Maybe you weren't watching when Speaker of the House gave the "floor" to President Obama? When she did that it was under a very specific routine of events that dictate how things happen in both the House of Representatives and the US Senate. When someone "has the floor" they are given the right to speak without interruption. Everyone else exercises good manners and reserves questions or statements for a time after that person is done ... IF it is appropriate.
In point of fact, because we have three separate branches of government, the President is not automatically granted the privilege of speaking to both houses of Congress, but must request that he be allowed to do so. When he is granted that privilege, it is considered good manners (regardless of your political persuasion) to listen attentively.
Yes, it was also appalling that some Democrats chose to boo during Bush's speeches in the past. However, it must be noted that they did so during periods when other members of Congress were clapping.
You must be careful about how you go about expressing your desires for free speech during this time. As I recall it was not too terribly long ago that when people on the left end of the spectrum questioned a right leaning president during war-time (and I believe we are still at war in two theaters), we were told that it was treasonous. But now it has somehow become patriotic because it is right-leaning people who are doing it? I am more than a little confused ...
To me it would seem that either one can engage in free speech and question authority during war-time because we live in a nation where free speech is a sacred value. Or one cannot. But it should not merely depend upon one's political affiliation. Now should it.
Why should he be punished for speaking his mind, this is still America, at least so far, or until you guys and Obama get your way and don't allow dissenting views. He should be rewarded for what he said. Obama's numbers don't add up, even a child with rudimentary math skills could come to that conclusion. We need more politicians with passion like that about the state of and the future of our country. I plan to give a generous donation to Mr. Wilson's campaign this election cycle.
He should be made to prove his statement correct or to admit that he is the one who is lying.
What a sad, sad day in America - that an elected official, a supposed role model and leader of a constituency - that Joe Wilson could call the President of the United States, in the middle of an address to Congress, a liar. I'm personally appalled and I hope Congress will censure. The anger on this man's face said it all. How can anyone in our nation believe it's OK to have 43 million uninsured? Who does Joe Wilson think is paying for the uninsured? We all are already.
I think what Joe Wilson said was right on the money, because it was what most people were thinking at the time! i know i was shouting at the TV at the same time saying "Thats a lie!"... I have read the bill, and it does give illegal immigrants coverage, and also exempts them from the tax!
I am sick of the double standard too.. Where was the MSM when Bush was heckled during his speech's to Congress???
Its a right of every AMERICAN for freedom of speech.. yes maybe in this PC nation, it was not the right time, but boy i got up so fast from my chair when he said it in agreement!!!!!!!!! So Right on Joe Wilson.. Right on!
At 42 seconds into the video Obama calls those who challenge his health care reform ideas liars, specifically radio and cable talk show hosts as well as "prominent politicians". He calls their accusations of "death panels" a "Lie, plain and simple" and gets a standing ovation. Yet when Joe Wilson does basically the same thing in the same forum, unscripted and maybe with just a tad more emotion, the Dems call for his resignation! Double standard? I think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHKSHvMRWE
Cynthia Mckinney can beat down a security officer with her cell phone, but a white, male, republican can't speak his mind?
I guess that all of you are so offended, must have been equally offended when Bush was booed by the dem's at the 2005 state of the union address. Hypocrites.....
Joe Wilson merely put words to what the majority were thinking. I have a copy of that bill on my desk. Everything Obama said was false, was itself a Lie. Joe Wilson should not apologize. The rest of the Republican Party should apologize for pretending to be Men.
Huh? Where was this outcry for respect and decorum when the libs were heckling Bush? Nowhere, because most of us understand that it's our right to disagree with our President and to express that disagreement - even for members of Congress. Much like Hillary's rant about the right to disagree with ANY administration. Libs and Dems can cry all they want - tough. If Obama can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. It's only going to get worse, and I'm adding my voice to the chorus....OBAMA IS A LIAR!!!
A lot of the comments here infer that "childish behavior" should be punished. America, however, is founded on the belief that government, particularly one person in government, should not control a citizen's freedoms. Rep. Wilson's unprecedented behavior (i.e. speaking out in a Presidential address) should not be confused with derogatory or dangerous speech (which should be limited).
Obama is not a king, a dictator, nor a God, and furthermore, his branch of government does not rank above the Congress. The Representatives can speak freely (within the law) without punishment, even if it that speech does not fit the social setting.
I am ashamed that our level of political discourse has descended to this sordid state. While I disagreed with almost everything George W. Bush did and said during his term of office, I would never countenance heckling a president in House or Senate chambers by anyone--especially by a member of one of the two bodies. I am also fearful for our wonderful land: The level of ignorance fueling vitriolic comments on health care reform--including many in this venue--is evidence of the sad state of American education. As an independent, I voted for both Democratic and Republican candidates in the most recent general election. However, the party of Lincoln sounds more and more like the party of John Wilkes Booth--certainly not a party I can support. I grieve for my beloved country; but, given the eloquent and visionary speech delivered last night, I am determined to help improve the lot of so many of my fellow citizens by supporting with civility the health care reform policies of President Obama.
"Freedom of speech" does not justify Rep. Wilson's behavior. He showed a total lack of respect for the Office of the President and if we allow his behavior to go unpunished, we send a terrible message to our children and will certainly deserve the future we find ourselves in down the road.
THANK YOU JOE....for seaking up for Americans who want real change
and not just Re-packaging and Re-Distribution of WEALTH under the guise
of Healthcare reform. It is is not about Healthcare or Reform.
MAY GOD BLESS THE USA!
Land of the Free, home of the Brave
................Except when you question authority
"DARLA R HOLLIDAY
2009-09-10 13:24:14 ET
I "WAS" A republican. I have since changed my party affiliation due to the ongoing embarrassment of the out of control Republican Party! What in GODS NAME is wrong with you people? I have NEVER seen,in all my 50 years, the disrespect and just plain HATRED of this party! I can understand not agreeing with the president, but the example the Republican party is setting for the young people in this is awful! You should be ashamed of yourselves! What exactly are you trying to prove? You've got a big mouth? Your a bully? Is this the example of a mature adult you want your children to grow up to be? I'm embarrassed for you ALL! "
Yeah, SURE you were!! Guess what? You LIE!! Just like your Liar in Chief! You've ALWAYS been a dumbacrat, and will ALWAYS be a dumbacrat! If you want to see hatred and divisiveness, look at your OWN party (dumbacrat)!
Thank God some of the sheeple are waking up to the dumbacratic lies and the cheerleading, non-negative O'Bozo reporting mainstream media!
No need to be embarassed for us all, be embarassed for yourself... You need it!
Obama's remark was simply disingenuous, i.e. a lie. The fact is the bill does not amend, supersede, or rescind current law regarding providing care to illegal aliens at public hospitals. It is indisputable Obama did call critics of the bill liars moments before Wilson's outburst. It is indisputable some of the same Democrat legislators piously intoning disgust at Wilson's remark also mocked President Bush and called him a liar during a session of Congress. People who want to punish Wilson for speaking out are petty lovers of tyranny.
Minority of Minorities. First of all I don't know for sure if it will or it won't, but it is much better then doing what we have been doing for the last 60 yrs or so. As for unemployment, that is a direct result of the conditions left by the last administration. And if you think that the majority of the politicians in that room last night. Including the idiot that could not hold his tongue have not lied on their taxes you are delusional!
02/02/05 Some Democrats booed during the State of the Union Address while President Bush was talking about Social Security. They specifically booed while he was stating that Social Security will go bankrupt by the year 2042.
Okay for thee, but not for me?
Why would you punish someone who tells the truth. Obama is fully aware that the existing House bill contains no mechanism to verify the required social security number needed to receive benefits. Any illegal can give a number that is floating around the community assured that no one will check on its validity. Free health care! Proof of the Democrats' intent: Their votes to prevent any amendment (eg: The Heller Amendment) from closing this massive loophole. Close the loophole and Joe wilson has no reason to call Obama a liar. derekcrane
Mark -Minority of Minorities I know you not trying to say that what the PRESIDENT did last night was talking down to people! Especially when he was trying to clear the air of politicians that spewed lies for the interest of lobbiest. Let's be real first of all about the fight on Health care. It has nothing to do with government control. It is about money and big business monopoly!
No, he only front them out called them lying about his healthcare. His healthcare reform will not cost us anything, HE WILL NOT SIGN ANYTHING THAT WILL ADD TO THE... HE WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE. How on earth is he going to insure these 46 mil uninsured w/o adding to the budget. ILLEGALS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET HEALTHCARE NOT ON HIS WATCH. He still blaming Bush, unemployment dropped. Of course they have to settle for less wages so how is that helping? Wow, typical lawyer/politicians talking. "Transparency" yet most of the people that worked for him either cheat or lied about their taxes but they're not Unamerican, just the people that disagree with him. What a laugh!
It's telling that the comments for or against are as partisan as the debate and equally uncivil, atleast from the right. I am a huge fan of the President and his current policies redirecting a sinking ship handed to him by 8 years of incompetence. That said, Congressman Wilson should not be punished. Not because of free speech but rather in the name of healthy debate. Was his statement helpful? Probably not, but if you have ever witnessed UK Parliament on CSPAN the PM in this case does not get a free pass and must defend his/her position. The stifling of dissent, like that which we witnessed under the Bush Administration does nothing to move a democracy forward. Open debate, preferably civil debate is getting lost...as shown with many of the comments on this site.
Wilson's site crashed because of the number of people calling to congratulate him for finally challenging the Liar in Chief. The donations he receives may well eclipse this cute headline.
The folks around here seem to forget that the Dems called G. W. Bush a liar during a State of the Union Speech, Booed Him, and at the conclusion of his speech, sat in a show of disrespect. Perhaps its time that we have a more open discussion than factless drivel presented by this Administration that is couched as soaring rhetoric by a lapdog media.
Kathy Steele - Joe Wilson committed an indefensible, shameful, disrespectful act toward the President of the United States in a public forum.
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Oh, really ? Should the Congressmembers who did this to Pres. Bush ALSO
have been sanctioned or removed from their positions ?
"Democrats were pretty rough on George W. Bush during a joint sessions a few years back.
Two examples:
In 2004, Democrats delivered a “Chorus Of Boos” during Bush's Bush’s State Of The Union when he called for renewal of the Patriot Act., according to the Washington Times.
In 2005, Dems howled, hissed and shouted "No!" when Bush pushed for Social Security reform in the SOU: "Foreshadowing the contentiousness of the coming debate, Democrats broke decorum and booed twice," according to the National Journal.
At the time, CNN's Bill Schneider remarked, “It was unusual. I had never heard it at least at that level before. The Democrats clearly were booing, heckling, saying no when the president talked about the crisis in Social Security."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Dems_heckled_Bush_but_Wilson_was_different.html?showall
Imperious hypocrite!
Free speech is one thing, but this was one of those yelling, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater type moments. Wrong place and wrong time. The President had the floor and all Mr. Wilson did was offer a rude interruption at the worst of worst moments. What bothers me most is that is the sort of thing you see in parliaments around the world, not in Congress here at home. Our Congress, while at time passionate and heated, has always held a level of decorum that far exceeded that of other nations and I've always felt it was a level other countries should look up to. We are a nation of divided interests, passions, emotions, faiths, but we are united toward a common goal, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness... Our unity is based, in part, on the idea that we all have a right to speak freely but that right doesn't allow someone to infringe on someone else's right to do the same.
Mr. Wilson does have the right to speak his mind, but he doesn't trump Mr. Obama. And Mr. Obama's right to speak freely doesn't trump Mr. Wilson's either, however, Mr. Obama had the floor.
It is the infringement on the President's allotted time to address Congress that makes Mr. Wilson's comments wrong. It doesn't even matter what he said. He could have started chanting, "OH-BA-MA!" or reciting nursery rhymes and it wouldn't have mattered. Mr. Wilson reverted to an elementary school student who interrupts the teacher during story time. It was a very poor play, bad form, and even though he made some bleak apology (which, I suspect, was probably coerced by others in his party) he needs to be censured for it.
Although, I think it would be a great play if the President turned the other cheek and invited him to the White House for a private sit down chat... Mr. Wilson made a great faux pas and of Obama really wants to use engagement rather than isolation in his policies, this would be a perfect moment to "engage" the other side of the debate on health care.
Let them come, say their piece, and maybe common ground can be agreed upon.
How about when the Dems booed President Bush during the SOTU address????
You two faced demonrats have a short memory, don't you?
If he should be punished then so should Rangel, Dodd and most of the other dems that are NOT following LAWS - IRS LAWS and they have gotten away from it. This guy just did something that for some reason - you didn't like. He didn't break any LAW. it's shameful that this is even a question.
I don't have a party, everytime i vote i used my vote carefully. I vote for what's good of America, as a refugee you valued your freedom and the rights that America given you differently. Didn't vote for Bush 1st time, but vote for him 2nd time because I don't want to see Iraq as another Vietnam War. I'm not rich so i can't be Republican, not too poor so i can't be Democrat. Yes i am middle income. I can't be racist cause I'm not black or white (which is laughable statement, if you disagree with Obama you're a racist or unamerican). I earned my citizenship, i worked 3 jobs to take care of my family and not once taking advantage of free healthcare. I am here legally and refused to take free rides (Call it pride but i am grateful for what America had given us) and feel it's our duties to make sure America will not become China.
Minority of Minorities I know you not trying to say that what the PRESIDENT did last night was talking down to people! Especially when he was trying to clear the air of politicians that spewed lies for the interest of lobbiest. Let's be real first of all about the fight on Health care. It has nothing to do with government control. It is about money and big business monopoly!
During the last administration, the "right" to free speech was severely curtailed... both aggressively by the then-government and by proxy, courtesy of the lackies who stomped on even whispered dissent as un-American.
So yes, I too am glad to see that free speech is once again a recognized and protected right. But what prior generations of parents taught but those that raised Joe Wilson must not have is that every right comes with responsibility.
Just because you CAN say what's on your mind doesn't mean shouting it out in a public forum... and for God's sake, yelling at the President in the middle of a nationally televised speech... is at all appropriate.
Joe Wilson is welcome to write editorials. He's welcome to make speeches during daily sessions. He's probably welcome, as a Congressman, to even contact members of Obama's staff or Obama himself to make his feelings known.
But those of you who think you're doing your anti-Obama cause any favors by saying what he did was laudable... are embarrassing yourselves and weakening your party.
Wilson should have just thrown his shoe at him!
Need you ask? Of course(!) he should be punished! Responsible adults know there is a time & place for speaking one's mind. Mr. Wilson showed us that not only was he out of control but also that he is so ignorant, arrogant. He holds a position of high authority in this country yet doesn't feel he needs to show due respect to the President of the United States, a position of higher authority, as well as to the American public. The whole world has seen the kind of classlessness & incompetence holding one of our Congressional seats. How embarrassing for us all! I have to wonder, how he got through our school system & half way decent upbringing without learning to keep his mouth shut until it's his turn to speak? And that, my friends, is NOT denying a person their Freedom of Speech!!
This is exciting - a member of congress actually being interested enough in a topic to express emotion. Perhaps the comment was in poor taste being in the setting of congress but it was not made in the "Political Correctness" of the occasion. He should be given the same treatment by both parties that the speaker of the house made in reference to the CIA's aledged misleadings. The people of South Carolina is fortunate to have a caring representative of this stature. "GO JOE"
Of course, Conservative Voice, you must know that "The Dems have done this in the past" (re: Kathy's comments), because you were there to hear it directly. Just another illogical Repub making stupid statements.
I don't care if you say freedom of speech or not. He holds an office and should have respect for our president that is trying so hard to better our country. Thanks for all your hard work MR. President
Joe Wilson is definitely being punished. I, and other South Carolinians, will do our best to see that he is not re-elected. I made a contribution to his opponent shortly after Wilson's remark. His rudeness and lack of civility have no place in Congress. So, he let his emotions get the best of him. He shouldn't have. If he opposes Obama's plan he should put that energy into a positive effort to defeat the plan and not into childish name calling. Good behavior and respect for others should be a given - everywhere!
It's Ok for Obama to talk down at people, but it's not OK for Rep. Wilson to express his feelings. What happened to Freedom of Speech, even if you're in the classroom and you don't agree with the teacher, aren't you entitle to at least question the teacher. If Obama isn't lying, he shouldn't have to worry. What's wrong here is that people think it's OK for blackman to talk down at people but it's not Ok for a white man to front him out. Even if he's the president if he's wrong he should be called out. That's the beauty of United States of America. Maybe Rep. Wilson can called Obama up and have a beer.
have we lost all civility? free speech does not mean the absence of good manners. mr. wilson, your bigotry is showing. would you have done that to george bush if you did not agree with him?
Please Kathy wake up and smell the coffee! The Dems have done this in the past, it just wasn't caught on tape!
I applaud Rep Wilson for speaking the minds of millions of Americans. He is a true representative of what Americans would love to say if we were given a chance.
Why can't everyone realize that what the President said last night was rubbish, rhetoric and ear candy! He didn't propose anything significant for health care!
AND of course Nancy Pelosi looks shocked, wake up America!!!
I applaud Rep Wilson!
Thank you for representing America!
Kathy Steele- your comment says it all. Well said!!
Where was all this passion when we were dragged into a war for all the wrong reasons. Where was all this anger when our phone calls were tapped illegally. Why did no one yell out in congress with Enron or Worldcom! Republicans expressed at the begining of this administration that they wanted to work with the President. What happened to all that unity.
As Rahm Emmanuel said, no one has ever done such a thing to another President. I know that others will poo-poo this but, what fuels Wilson's belief that he could speak this way to Obama in this forum, get away with it and in fact get support for it from the people that matter to him was a deep seated sense of superiority and privileged. His lack of respect for Obama, in spite of the office he holds is a symptom of RACISM. As far as Wilson is concerned, nothing Obama has accomplished or represents can make him truly worthy of Wilson's respect because to Wilson, Obama is, above all, a BLACK MAN and to many in the South, and elsewhere, that means he is inferior to him and can be dismissed without fear. I AM SICK OF IT and all the Republicans who tacitly or otherwise support this behavior, the behavior of those who made outbursts at the town hall meetings and even supported the presence of gun toting crazies at various venues, KNOW they are tapping into and encouraging the racism many whites posses and nourish. They hold onto this, one of the last remaining delusions that comfort them, as the world crumbles around them....money tight, families under stress, "retirement" nothing but a pipe dream. BUT they can bolster themselves, just a bit, hating on those blacks and the rest of the OTHERS who are taking over their country. Never mind that the majority of these people would benefit significantly from the Administration's policies. They'd rather choke down mud from a white man's hand than crystal clear water from a black man's and sadly, that just the way it is.
Oh My! You ask this question? Where were you when Democrats heckeled George Bush publicly and in these once "hallowed" halls of Congress??? Joe Wilson answered with the truth...Illegal Immigrants ARE on the agenda to be covered... Read the Bill!
I do not believe Rep. Joe Wilson should be punished.. I someone does not tell the truth, whether it's you, me, or the President of the United States he should be called on it.. I read someones post, they used the example of military soilder or a student and teacher. Well this is not the military and Obama is not the teacher.. Very bad examples.. Obama is there to guide them. They are there to protect and defend us.. They are our voice. They should all remember they are ELECTED officials... There are way to many LONGTERM people in congress.. We need new fresh ideas.. These ladies and gentlmen have been there 25-30 yrs.. TOO LONG...
Freedom of speech my BEHIND! Everyone wants to use "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" when it's convenient for them. The whole party looked pretty silly sitting there looking like statues last night. Get over it people! The last eight years have been HELL! President Obama has a tough job ahead of him, let's work with him, not against him. If we all stop looking at the color of his skin, we can all move forward. Punish Joe Wilson's rude A$$!!!!
I "WAS" A republican. I have since changed my party affiliation due to the ongoing embarrassment of the out of control Republican Party! What in GODS NAME is wrong with you people? I have NEVER seen,in all my 50 years, the disrespect and just plain HATRED of this party! I can understand not agreeing with the president, but the example the Republican party is setting for the young people in this is awful! You should be ashamed of yourselves! What exactly are you trying to prove? You've got a big mouth? Your a bully? Is this the example of a mature adult you want your children to grow up to be? I'm embarrassed for you ALL!
Representative Wilson's outburst was another example of the continuing deline in civility in our country. Regardless of one's views on the health care reform issue, it was a shocking display of boorish behavior. For those who defend it (or worse yet, cheer it on), I simply ask "would you speak this way to an authority figure in a formal setting? Or, would you tolerate this if someone spoke to you this way in a similar setting?" I guess it's not surprising considering how shock jocks on both the left and right fill our airwaves with their rude blather but can we please remember what we were taught in kindergarten or what the golden rule is all about?