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@Empire1871
being a brony or not as nothing to do with this
and, i'm not trolling, i just don't care or more: i think it's a good idea
on the chipset point, yup, i will gladly welcome the occasion if my government want to place one on me (if it's just an identification/localisation one of course)
@ Blake-9157
Stop being an idiot.
1.) It won't slow the game down (obviously) because all he has to do is send a 1kb file. Do you know what that means? Probably not. It's small, kid.
2.) The community? What are you even talking about? Anonymous means he doesn't know who he's getting data from, he's just getting data. Maybe you should look up "anonymous."
3.) No. No not really at all. There's not even a reason for that. You're just being stupid, which, of course, isn't news after reading your other two "points."
4.) This is why I propose firing squads to shoot down anyone with an IQ lower than 5. Or gas chambers. They're a burden to themselves and to the people around them, this guy's post being a flawless example.
This is just going to
1) slow the game down
2) report what we are doing to the community
3) it might even do some things we aren't hearing. He will see all the "YES"s and then change it to where he can watch everyone to see what they are doing!
4) this is a big NO!!
I just have concerns, as I know that the game is already a system hog, that this would hog even more. Also, as I do not know the official standing of Mojang on mods, if this would "brick" the installation if mods are detected. I vote no, because:
1) I don't see the point beyond some cool statistics
2) I don't want that miniscule bit of bandwidth taken up
3) I'm afraid about mods being detected
Wow, Nathan. notch has no ability whatsoever to ban someone from a server. Only the host can do that, and ops if the host enables them. Go to the forum, appeal if you can, and report this guy. You can also try spell checking, and having a 12th birthday.
Nothc, im here to say ive been having some noobs in multiplayer the most of an asshole, smurfinurmom, great job smurf! ya got the "most of a jackass award"! i would just like you to send a moderator or too to ban him he is in this server in Planet Minecraft that says it has "no lag" (yet it is kinda laggy) i was fine until that guy came he said he asked me 6 times to do something then he banned me yet if he asked me something, i would have seen the chat easily i use fullscreen and his rank is "pimp" and he says he is the host of the server but i know the real host, so please ban him! he deserves it!
I have voted no, because I am not confident enough in the Java platform to allow it to data mine. The more you tack onto it, the less robust it becomes, and the less robust it is the more vulnerable it is.
The game also is quite a system hog to begin with and i'm not confident the streaming data will not make things worse.
I do not consider the addition of this much of a problem, as I can log on for patch content and play the game offline the rest of the time. I would prefer to do this over an 'on/off' button because i'm not worried mojang using the crumbs from my data table that I gave them, i'm worried about the program itself being vulnerable to abuse.
@halfmonty but you see, he wants confirmation, you say look at the forums and youtube, but its been statistically demonstrated time and again that only about 5% or less of users actually go to outside sites for game updates and news/visit the forums. I've been playing since alpha and i've visited the forums maybe 3 times, and those were to report bugs. this would let them see what people outside the vocal 5% are doing. I doubt that 90% of the player base runs a server, and I doubt even 50% play online regularly.
I also Doubt that more than 50% or even more than 25% really use that many mods. but we have no way of knowing these things unless we collect data.
If minecraft has 16 million people registered, and 4 million sold, I would not be surprised if they want to see what the vase unspoken majority has to say.
i think it would be cool
great idea
kyle
As long as it's _opt-IN_ I don't have a problem with it.
hate this kiddes... ( mean the posts before mine.)
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I am not sharing my favorite porn sites with you. sorry.
This is not how you go about this sort of thing, you ask on a per user basis. I hope you put it in as an option when you do add it.
Yes yes, please add more bulk without optimization. In between my out of memory crashes I want to enjoy the comforting feeling of knowing even more resources are being used to gather arbitrary data that will likely have no bearing on anything. More research and understanding of players and what they do could be glommed from watching youtube video, browsing the forums, or *gasp* speaking to the modding community that has be mojang shat upon countless times.
Yeah, I know I sound pretty disgruntled, cuz the game was honestly better as a rough sandbox indie game, not an empire of suck. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, you have probably not ever run a server with more than 20 people on it.
Here's your data. People enjoy a game that runs smoothly and they like sharing custom experiences with one another. One spectacular way of doing this is with servers, multiplay, and mods. Focus on enabling the modding community that are responsible for your success and they will reward you further. Focus on mojang created content and in game features like "mushrooms" and "dragons" and you will fall short and interest in minecraft will decline further and further. Why? A community of modders can and do on a daily basis, create content vastly better and vastly more than you and your team are capable of. Your content actually turns into more of a roadblock server admins have to work around...
There, data and research done. You can pay me in common cents if you would like.
I agree with everyone else, make it turn on/off. Personally, i would have it on to help improve the game. So far, it looks like it's gonna be implemented.
Well, I picked yes, but I think it would be a good idea to have an option somewhere in the menu. Sort of like an opt-out button for anyone who would have problems with it. Not everyone would be cool with sending data, even if it is little bits of non-personal data like that. If for no other reason, that kind of transfer is creating another link to your system information that many people might be uncomfortable with.
Wasn't it be better to hire some guy to track community boards to see what people are talking about and what do they want to do in Minecraft? That would be better idea. Anyways I voted for "yes".
@Carmeops
Look, a retarded brony. What a suprise...
I hope you are trolling.
This is ok :D
Why all the talk about opt-in and out? Or choosing which data to be sent?
This is either a YES or NO question. Users opting-out will result in inaccurate data, making the whole task pointless.
Many other online games, and even singleplayer ones, have data tracking built in.
It's nothing serious, nothing to worry about and you won't be adversely affected in anyway.
The only legitimate concern would be "will gameplay be affected? ie, lag?"
This dude has it perfectly:
"Hammatron - yesterday
I would say, Yes under four conditions :
1. If it is optional and can be turned off
2. If all the anonymous data that has been logged can be viewed by the user on their machine e.g. in a unencrypted, plain-text format.
3. If the user is clearly notified of what information will be logged e.g. mouse clicks, blocks destroyed etc.
4. If it doesn't affect game play too much."
@Cygnus Notch already said that there will be an option for that
Can't you just include the ability to opt out for a win/win situation?
Can't you just include the ability to opt out for a win/win situation?
i never understand why people so freak out about collecting data about them, even more: ANONYMOUS data!
if it's to make the game better, go for it! collect my datas, even private data, inject me a chipset under the skin even!
only people with something to hide can say otherwise, and you can know everything of me, i don't care ;)
Make it opt-in. In the options you could have a Data Sharing page. That way you could list everything you could possibly want to know and let the player decide from that list what they want to share. When it comes to privacy all it takes is for a single person to say NO before it becomes wrong - at least on some small level.
It should be noted that even having the option of data sharing could be an issue with some players. When you ask for something you should also think of giving in return. Something like integrated support for Tumblr / Facebook / Twitter / Photobucket should be acceptable for most.
Yeah, I agree with what a lot of other people are saying. Just make it optional. But make it opt-out, rather than opt-in, so the people who don't care one way or the other will have it turned on, and the people who do care can go turn it off themselves.
Runescape does this but to catch cheating and to verify time played verses what you say u have.
I dislike seeing data collected in the manner suggested, because it has a tendency to be used for marketing strategies. That said, I can understand the need to collect data if, and only if, the producer was completely unaware of the applications of the product. That should not be the case with Minecraft; it has become a cultural icon wherein, if you do not know what it is, you feel mysteriously and inexplicably less significant that someone who does. Bukkit recently paid a trip to Mojang, and I think the implications should be clear. While this game will always remain a brilliant solo game, that IS CLEARLY NOT the direction towards which the fan base has been modifying and supporting it. It does not take a poll to see that the multiplayer aspect has become the dominating part of the game, albeit one that has been under-appreciated and marginally supported for some time.
I'd like to underscore the point with some raw data: on our server, we currently have players ranging in age from 4 (a young lady who is pretty much in the game simply for the animals and the love of pink wool), to 44 (possibly a Lego-maniac who was weaned too early as a child). Two of the administrators are educators, another flies charter aircraft for a living. Among the players are grade school students, high school students, a volunteer EMT, and another educator. It is hard to explain exactly what appeals to the differing age ranges, because it differs from person to person within each range. Somehow, in an age where the generational gap approaches the social equivalent of the Berlin Wall, the game has become common ground. It fulfills a social gap which, in my opinion, has not been truly successfully bridged in the last ten years.
Whether a server is hosted locally for a group of friends, or is a dedicated connection such as ours, each one represents untold hours of time spent building, fighting, surviving, innovating, and interacting. The structures we design and build may be fleeting, but the social bonds we create are, like obsidian, far more durable. That is the magic of this game, and to my mind, explains not only its success, but also the direction of focus for the game in the future.
I think it should be optional, meaning I can turn it off if I want in case it drags down my connection / framerate (regardless of how much YOU think it would, whether it does or doesn't is up to ME to say, being the one who experiences it).. plus for the fact that you could simply just keep a local text file with the data that monitors activity every whatever-interval, writes it to that file, and then sends it in when I log off. Give us an incentive for opting in.
just add and option to turn it off
Personally I would be OK with this but I can understand why some others have reservations, so I'm with most of the others- by all means implement it but give users the option to opt out.
I voted yes! I'm hoping this will lead to future expansions and improvements. But i agree with the option of turning it off/on.
Yes Notch, you can collect whatever you need. All I ask is that game play is not affected and you update us on how this dat will impact future gameplay.
I think that it should be optinal, like a feature you can freely turn on and off. Also, keeping track of what biomes people are in, what blocks they break most often, what blocks they place most often, what blocks they craft most often might lead to more data. Things like what biomes are avoided, what biomes are OP, what items are OP or what items are never used, what building blocks are better and what blocks are avoided to make the game more ballanced.
Wow... I am aghast at all the negative reactions.
People see the work "tracking", and they immediately think "spyware", "stalking","theft of private information" and have an awful knee-jerk reaction.
He's not asking you to give admin rights to the minecraft installer because it will scan your computer and send him everything it finds!
He wants to track game usage so he can better know what the community likes, what features they use most, etc. So that in turn he can prioritize and focus his work to provide the community with the best enhancement per work time possible. He's not going to "track your children", for God's sake!
Every online game already does that. MMO designers know how many of X instance was run per day. LoL designers how many times Teemo dies per minute. And it's not a case of "But they are evil and minecraft shouldn't be"! It's a case of said data CAN NOT hurt anyone. In any way. Period.
Stop being paranoid. Let Notch gather the data he needs to serve the community better.
As for my opinion:
I vote yes, no opt-out or opt-in. Just make sure if I happen to be offline it doesn't require connection and dumps the data somewhere to be sent next time.
I would say, Yes under four conditions :
1. If it is optional and can be turned off
2. If all the anonymous data that has been logged can be viewed by the user on their machine e.g. in a unencrypted, plain-text format.
3. If the user is clearly notified of what information will be logged e.g. mouse clicks, blocks destroyed etc.
4. If it doesn't affect game play too much.
I voted yes. I think that the numbers of the poll should not only be read as a number of support for the idea, but it also shows the level of trust people feel towards Mojang. People trust you.
I agree with Chris - 15 hours ago. But I voted yes, but I do agree that it should be an option when you login in the options box on the login screen. Rather than recording every bit of info from my experience in Minecraft. And you all have to think of it this way, will this make it easier for hackers to steal accounts? Or will it make it harder?
I agree with "honam1021":
"It would be better if MC allows you to choose to send the data or not"
@PC
It doesn't have to be fair, sure, and I too like the fact that Notch is mooting this with us rather than just going ahead and doing it, but in an ideal world, this -would- be fair; if I get a chance to stick my vote in for whether something fair should happen, or whether something unfair should happen, then I'm always going to go for the former, regardless of whether 'other companies would have been even less fair'.
As for why it would be unfair for Notch to sell the data he collects from this, it's basically us acting as completely free games testers. Now, I'm aware that all we beta players have been not only doing that for free, but -paying- to do that, but we got something in return: a cheaper price for the game. I certainly wouldn't be okay with a situation where a company wanted me to do all the grunt work for them, for free, without an opt-out clause, so they can just sell what is essentially my work (however meagre 'work' playing a game may be) to make themselves richer off my unpaid back.
What I think would be a -great- compromise would be Notch being able to sell the data on, but providing the occasional DLC that would otherwise have been pay-for for free to customers who don't opt-out of this monitoring scheme.
Normally I would be against something like this. However, in this instance, instead of just making this a mandatory thing, where we don't know the data you're collecting and how often; you instead decided to ask us, the ones who would be recorded, if it would be alright with us for you to gather specific information. Most other developers would have just implemented it, patch the game and hide the clause about tracking somewhere deep in the license agreement and then pull the dirty move of "agree to this, or you can't play YOUR game that YOU payed for with YOUR hard earned money" *cough*xboxlive*cough* And just for the fact that you asked to have this added, and still treating the game as ours that we can do anything with at the slightest whim, and being straight with us on what you'll be gathering, I applaud you good sir Notch.
the hurt sounds is very bad pls change
I think an option that can be easily enabled and disabled from the launcher (or from the game properly) about allowing the data to be sent or not would be great. It would be good if, in addition to the usual stuff (time playing, game mode, SMP/SSP, computer performance) the system would take a list of the mods you play with, and how much time do you have those mods installed (to differentiate between mods you are testing and mods you really play your games with).
This data could actually be recorded on your local machine and sync when you log in, which could be a plausible option, hence sending much less data, just totals.
I think spending resources on a feature like this would require some development and maintenance, due to the popularity of Minecraft I believe the most feasible solution would be a basic questionnaire which could be loaded in the same pane as the login screen. Thus leaving it optional and covering all bases at once.
Minecraft has enough followers to make a huge stat difference using this method, look at the results obtained by this basic questionnaire.
This sounds awesome! If this went through, the devs would be able to look at what we do, and those things more awesome! Like if we explore dungeons all the time, Jeb would add more variation to them. if we played in player-built cities, we would get new block types and methods of building.
And I'm seeing comments on how this could adversely affect players, though...
1. The kind of data they are sending is just a small amount of numbers. There is no possible way it could slow our computers down.
2. The kind of data they would be getting is how we play a game, not business transactions or personal data. There is literally no way they could sell this stuff EVER, unless somebody cared how many trees you have punched in the last half-hour.
I appreciate you asking. I voted "no" because while I don't think it sounds evil, the idea of data collection does come off as sketchy. I'm certain you have nothing but the best of intentions, but slippery slope and all.
If you do decide to add it, it should be an option. Not an option buried in settings somewhere, but an option that comes up with a fresh install or patch. Or perhaps it should be opt in rather than opt out.
I'm sure you'll do the right thing, but I will say if it is added and it is not optional I will remove Minecraft from my system immediately and never look back. That's not a threat or anything, just a statement. I mean, you have my money already (several times over actually).
I'm okay occasionally letting developers records system specs and basic game statistics. But I absolutely do not want it to be a frequent issue or a requirement to continue playing a game I paid for.
If you do implement anything like this, you need to be specific on what data you will and will not collect. Since even if it is "anonymous" you can get still acquire too much info without restrictions on collections. Also you have to allow people the option to opt out at any time.
Finally the fact that it connects to the game frequently you run the risk of creating performance issues. And I fear there may also be a risk of being booted from the game if my connection is not perfect. It would be best to save play statistics to a file on the user's computer which will be sent when the rest of data is sent, and will also allow the user to see how much time they've wasted. As far as the when data is collected it should either be done when the opted in customer logs into the game or periodically, say once a month, there should be a pop up when starting the game asking if the user wants to send the data.
@BGH:
Assuming financial gain: Why does it need to be 'fair'? Or, more to the point, how is it 'unfair' and on whom? We, the players, won't be affected or somehow come off worse for it. Should we be given a dividend for every Excel pie-chart?
I like the fact Notch is 'testing the waters' on this issue that other companies don't think twice about and routinely carry out.
Sandbox games lack direction. What better way to identify and compliment direction than letting the players' play style guide the dev team. Afterall, that's what we want, isn't it? For the game to be constantly and consistently improved.
I do like all the 'privacy' nutters commenting though! Makes some of them feel important that they have things they can DENY others for the sake of DENYING! We're talking game-mode, cobblestone and pork cooking here, chaps. Not personal data, PIN numbers and vehicle registration.
I'm all for it, as long as there's an option to turn it on/off. Beware about adjusting to the preferences of the multitude of foul-mouthed little kids that think multiplayer games are the only ones that exist.
I voted no and will stop playing Minecraft if it comes to pass without an option to opt out entirely. Purely because i have no interest in sharing any of my "non personal" data with anyone i don't have to.
I'd be fine with it so long as it includes an opt out tickbox in the options menu.
Furthermore, the 'non-private' data clause is iffy. I see that you're trying to cover yourself legally, so that you can use this to present some cool data charts to the community, but this would also give you indemnity to share our playdata with whomever you wish. You could effectively end up selling our playdata to other companies, so we'd all end up making you richer at no benefit to ourselves. That doesn't seem fair.
@Jason rofl . you dont have to connecnt to the internet everytime. just once for the account to be clear that you premium. Maybe Except you all dont have premium, if this is the case you dont really have a "legal" opinion in this discussion. you just should by it.
@topic i have no problem with that . this data cant be usesd for something "evil". It is just to Improve the game itself, and this is something i prefer.
mfg Soulseller
@TheCodeMonk dude are you serious?? Giving Notch access to what we do could change the game, like if we play survival, he might make more mobs, or if we play creative, he could add other features! This could help us soooo much!
it would be cool to have this as long as u can chose a yes or no tick box instead of being forced :D
Yes, having the option to be polled or not would be very handy for those that don't want to. Might I also add that doing it randomly with people who do have yes selected (weather or not that flies) instead of doing it with everyone at once, might put more people at ease?
I think it would be fine, as long as it doesnt cause lag. Also, if u enable an optout option, u will only recieve data from a small group of people, which may cause updates appealing to that small group of people and not the rest. But notch can do whatever he wants
@serzern It's a backdoor, moron. And if you think this data is so innocuous, then how exactly will this data help make the game "better"? None of this data can do anything to help make this game better for anyone...
make it an opt in (rather than opt out) feature. the stats could help with game development. if the tracking is done without usernames aka. anonymously, it should be fine, especially with the option to not opt in at all. the only problem i see is that the stats you are tracking are extremely limited in use. im failing to see the benefits of such tracking.
Not evil, and not really a problem. Anyone objecting clearly doesn't understand the question, or is infected with the paranoia sweeping the modern internet. Statistics aren't evil, but personal tracking is. Just like cookies aren't evil, but personal tracking is. People need to be educated.
I think this is fine, it's good that Notch asked before he did it.
Some games are pretty good but not great. Those games have a little of everything, and they appeal to what the mass crowd wants, but not the individual.
In order for me to know whether it's an evil or good thing, I want to know more specifically what you will be doing with the information.
If it has anything to do with the marketing of the game, and by that I mean especially the promotion, I would prefer the option to be not included.
Because an overall improvement of the game can be a total disappointment to an individual.
I'm sorry if I'm being too vague about this, but I find it hard to clearly state my opinion.
Oh, and btw:
1 hole: Sock
2 holes: Leggings
3 holes: Underwear
4 holes: Shirt
(doesn't apply to me, my socks and underwear have a lot moar holes)