I voted I don't mind. I would ask that you provide the users with 100% transparency on the data that you collect and to which the format it's received in.
fib98 - 14 years ago
I voted yes because i agree with most of it, but I think it's getting a little too personal by checking which operating system people have
Kris Diehl - 14 years ago
With only those 2 options for the poll, I have to vote NO. Make a more nuanced poll and you might see more nuanced answers. You MUST make this an opt-in thing. Even better, post all your collected data for the world to see on your site so that we can see what you are or aren't collecting.
Jorh - 14 years ago
Like others have said. It needs to be an option that's off by default.
How about giving the option in your profile settings to enable/disable data-tracking?
Just enable it by default and send out a message that everyone who doesn't wants its data tracked to disable the option.
Mike Striker - 14 years ago
I like the idea. As long as you don't track non-Minecraft-related software, I'll have no complaints.
Kuro.Maii - 14 years ago
This should be optional if it gets put in the game. And off by defaut!
Robin Hood - 14 years ago
This is bad.
What about he also get the age of the players of this data and even the ages of kids/adults who voted YES.
I dont really like the fact that developers base there changes on games based on the mass, since the mass consists of kids nowadays.
Which is fine that the mass contains a lot of kiddies, but the fact that games are based on what they think is quite bad.
felix - 14 years ago
yes, let us choose wether we want to send the data or not.
DiamondMint - 14 years ago
I think we should have the choice to let you in on what we do and do not do with the game. I bought the game and to you that is all that should matter, no offense or anything...
Snakedeath2 - 14 years ago
I really don't see why people make such a fuss about it. They aren't spying on your computer, the most interesting thing Mojang would be able to find out about you is how long you place each time and what actions you do ingame, they probably won't even know what you're making or destroying.
But I do agree it would be best to make it optional and make logs for peace's sake.
And to those people who said Mojang doesn't care about it's players, think again. If they didn't care, they wouldn't be asking this kind of thing, wouldn't listen to player suggestions and just do what they want. It's also insulting to hear.
Kazuja - 14 years ago
I trust the guys at mojang. So I say yes.
I think it would really help them in some ways, maybe this helps them to add new ideas if they know how you play the game. Maybe they add or enhance stuff for things that players preferably do, or soething else.
And for people who say that it's not good that they want customer data: They are not facebook or something like that. First, they wouldn't gather some private information only to spam you with ads. Second, they just gather some gameplay informations, othing like name, telefon or stuff. And last: C'mon, it's mojang. I don't think they are that kind of people. Just call me naive for that, but I don't think they are a bunch of money-grubbing bastards which don't care for privacy.
So: Make it an option that is turned off by default, so nobody can complain that they got spyed out without knowing about it.
Also: If you are watching the gameplay anyway, implent some kind of global statistic screen(that only works for vanilla players, because of fairness).
Snoux - 14 years ago
I am not against this, I am supporting this. But I think we should be reasonable:
How about sending the informations AFTER a given session? So, instead of sending it every 10/100/10000000000 minutes, it would be gathering data, which then would be sent after finishing a session. That could take off a huge load. I have a friend who can barely run this game, now imagine if the CPU gets a load because of the reports.
Seriously people, what do you have to be afraid off of? Yes, i agree, that it should be opt in and out, but other than that, im fine even with getting info about how many times i hit a given block and with what, that would be nice to see what tools are the most popular for a given block, etc. -- informations, purely for fun :)
What i do think, is that before this there could be another poll what do you like and not like about the "new" minecraft -- remember that there were MAJOR changes in gameplay, and world generations during the past few years. Many of the current items, and how they behave are kind of blank papers, they are there, but they could do so much more...
Pistons, Redstone behaviours, etc. -- I know that there are TONS of mods out there, but i rather not want any mods IF the game gould offer it as official content. I am not talking about these only, or mobs, or anything... i am talking about simple stuff that could make a miner's life so much easier, namely:
- "convenient inventory" behaviour
- block hp shouldnt reset instantly - they shouldnt reset at all, or they could reset after X seconds
- map generation... It would be so much fun if we could change the map generator between the different stages: Indev, infdev, alpha, pre 1.8... OMG! Think about the possibilities :)
The game overall should be in C++, becaue the current system requirements are kinda...well, lets just say java is not made for 3d gaming...:)
I would play MC atm, but i can't connect due to that issue with the change of the email address D:
Alex - 14 years ago
Yes so we can keep track of greifers in-game
Z - 14 years ago
The paranoia of people flares up again. I'm happy to see that at least a majority of comments are reasonable, seeing that this is nothing unusual and nothing to get upset about if it's optional. But some of the negative responses - I don't even know where to begin with you people, this is so entertaining :)
First of all, comparing Mojang to Facebook/Google for wanting user statistics. Now, the reason that Facebook/Google are hated by some for this is simply because it's for advertisement purposes. If any web service would use data just to make your experience better/smoother, only the most paranoid would complain. When it's used for directed advertisement, a bit more level-headed people get upset too. But what in anyone's name can that have to do with Mojang or Minecraft? What usage data could they collect that they could use for something like that?
And to the people saying that Notch should just "spend 10 minutes on the forums" or "send out a survey" to find out how people play the game. Do you understand how statistics work? Minecraft has sold close to 5 million copies and has 20+million registered users. Do you think that the relatively small subset of people who frequent the forums are in any way representative of those millions of people? I can assure you that the typical user is not one who spends time on the forums - those are very atypical. Doesn't mean that they are less valuable people of course, but they are in a clear minority and probably a different kind of Minecraft player than the majority. Going to the forums and spending 10 minutes there will tell you nothing about ~5 million players.
And a survey has its own problems - mostly the same one, that only an atypical group of people would take the time to respond to it. There's also the question of our very imperfect memory. I have no idea when I played Minecraft last or for how long, and I'd assume that most typical players would have the same problem.
Then I've seen people saying that it's "unclear" from the blog posts that Notch is just talking about innocent game data. How can it be unclear? How are people reading what he says always so stubborn in refusing to understand?
I remember when Notch first change the wording of the "free updates forever"-thing. He said very clearly, several times, that those who bought it while that wording was up will still get that and that everyone that buys it will get at least version 1.0 and probably more updates after that. But for weeks the internet was abuzz with people who refused to read that and claimed that they had been cheated, that they'd have to pay for Minecraft again when it goes out of beta, and so on.
And now people are reading a short blog post that contains very specific examples of what type of data it's about. It says that it's "non-private data about the game" such as OS, gamemode, playtime and which client you are using. And people are saying that it's unclear if Notch means just game data? Accuse him of lying about it if you want to, but if you think the blog post is unclear in stating his intentions you're just being willfully obtuse.
I could not in any way care less about Mojang or any other game company collecting anonymous statistics about their games. I can't figure out why anyone else would either, but as long as those people can opt out I can't see why anyone would object to this.
Wuxian - 14 years ago
Good morning/day/evening/midnight snack break,
I really don't think something like data tracking is what you would need.
But personally I would be ok with it if it was optional and with log files.
If you really want to improve the game, just as a suggestion, find a way to improve
the game's way of loading chunks / displaying the world (you always see the skybox on the horizon, how cool would it be to see the generated chunks there?).
Better performance would really be awesome.
MTONYB - 14 years ago
Hey Jamie and kommo, if I copy Minecraft to a notebook and all of a sudden there's a message up my top left corner I should buy Minecraft then it just did verify the validity of my license. Verifying licenses is DRM. This is what DRM is supposed to do. So with all due respect: Fuck you morons.
If that changed after beta I hereby truthfully apologize. But afaik it didn't.
Just make that survey stuff optional Notch. It would be win/win for everyone.
Woitee - 14 years ago
I think Notch made this survey for a whole different reason, than to actually track stats from in game. I also think the result has very disappointed him. Thank you for proving the point a little bit deeper, man. I hope you make people realize in the end somehow.
Bill - 14 years ago
1) Make it optional.
2) Show me a log file of what's been sent in the last 24 hours
With those two items, I'm all for you _logging game data only_.
I'm fairly certain that's your intent, but it's clear to me that many of the above don't get that from your post. Understanding how we play the game can certainly be valuable to you. But monitoring any of my activities outside of your game would be wholly and completely unacceptable.
Keep up the great efforts, grats on a great game and community.
Jamie - 14 years ago
Sure why not. I don't even care. Do you know why? Because I think all of you freaking out are silly paranoid fools.
Why do I give a flying **** if they see that I punch 10000 trees and kill creepers for fun? It's minecraft for christs sake. What are you doing that you're so afraid of sharing? Building giant nazi symbols? Holding online meetings with your pedophile group? No? Then big damn deal.
You want to see what I spend my time in minecraft doing so you can improve those same things, great. It's not like hes asking to see your porn browsing habits outside of games. You people are parenoid.
And for those ignorant fools talking about it being DRM, please just go hang yourselfs or learn what DRM actually is.
Thanks
kommo1 - 14 years ago
Please let this be an optional function. Other than taht, I'm ok with this.
And please let the idiots disappear who are unable to tell the difference between DRM and Login-In for INTERNET-MULTIPLAYER.
MTONYB - 14 years ago
I bought MC with the promise of no DRM. And what did I get? An account bound software I have to log-in every time I want to use it. There's barely more DRM you could have implemented and the only saving grace is that your game works without a successful log-in (read no Internet) at least in SP.
And know you want to spy on your customers? Seriously? First lying and now spying?
You better make that optional Notch. If you want to know what I do all day long while playing your great game send me a survey to my email you got when I bought it!
Joe Hicks - 14 years ago
I'm going to chime in with the others requesting that it be optional/configurable from in-game. Additionally, it would be nice to have an option to log *exactly* what is sent to a file or something so we can decide if we want to continue using said service.
Player - 14 years ago
So Mojang wants to become Facebook/Google. If you want to find out what people do, create a survey and ask people to take it. There is no need or reason for you to spy on everyone. There is too much trust from the people posting here about a company that in reality they know very little bout. How do we know this data is in fact anonymous and non-private? If this is implemented and there is no opt-out, prepare for an exodus of people.
"DookBuckenburger - 15 hours ago
No No and NO!!! Firggin ASK us why dont you? Make a post in the forums and we WILL tell you!!!!! I do not need yet another friggin service running in the background sending supposedly "anonymous" to some company that is too damned lazy to ASK. Christ sake READ THE FORUMS it would take you 10 minutes to figure out how people are playing Minecraft. PAY Attention to your community Christ sake. How is it that most people in the community can answer these questions for you but the creators of the game are clueless?
If you ask me this is a lame attempt at seeking out pirates playing on stolen clients. If not this then there's some other reason that's not being said cuz ALL of the info you are interested in is readily apparent in the community and if not, easily figured out by looking at logins compared to page views, quit bullshitting and come up with the real reason , at least be honest."
Nike2000 - 14 years ago
This sounds perfectly normal to me. Just as mc.net got statistics on how many players are registred/bought mc, you could get statistics like how many players played survival/creative in the last mounth/day/year... And it's anonymous so why wouldn't you vote yes? There's no reason. No reason. If there were statistics on the site about how many players are playing(played) survival, would you consider it evil or something normal?
I would suggest to put this to the options so you can switch it on or off.
Its a gread idea though. Would be imrpove the game according to the gamers behaviours.
Monica - 14 years ago
I am saying yes, since you have developed the game in a way that shows the community is important to you. It should be optional though....
Jay - 14 years ago
Opt-in/out sounds like the best idea. That way you can implement it and let the individual decide for themselves even if majority say yes as then it won't affect those who don't want to do it
___eee - 14 years ago
FUCK Mojang! This poll is faked! How can so many people say it is ok?!
Knight-Man - 14 years ago
It would be nice, if every player could choose for himself (or herself =P). Something like a switch in the optionmenu. So every one who wants to share information, could do it and every one who don't, can sleep softely. Good willing is one side. But on the other I'd rather keep it in my hand which information I am sharing with others.
God damn it, my english is one fat a**.
Piotr - 14 years ago
To get statistically conclusive data you don't need the statisically "universe" (the hole population).
Make a survey how players played the game during the last week.
1. Give some random players the opportunity to participate in the survey.
2. Repeat the survey a couple of times with the same players.
3. You will get some nice longitudinal data.
The players stay "in touch" with the survey without feeling monitored. You will get reliable data without appearing "evil" to 14% of the community.
Besides that: It is so sad that people get called paranoid just because they want to protect their fundamental right to have privacy.
Ducci - 14 years ago
Battlelog for Minecraft ~ Minelog a active state's page I'm all for that, but not sharing only for Notch to see, that's ego.
At least you told us what you want to do and its very rare that you are actually asking the users if the move is okay. With people like that running the business I'm all good with sharing my info. Not that its any private info anyway.
Maybe something else to look at is line speeds, will it slow down the gamers experience if the game lags because of the 10 min update? etc
Keep doing what you're doing team, you're living our dreams! Woohooo! Go Mahjong and Notch!
The Wiz - 14 years ago
Wouldnt it be nice to have sopmething like a Log where you can see all your data online like or example BattleLog for Battlefield 3? Seems interesting to me and compare yourself to other players!
Imo, the really important thing about this is that:
1. You asked us about it.
2. You made us aware of it.
For those two reasons, I trust you with my data and am more than happy to let you use it.
I'd recommend/ask that you do something along the lines of the following when you implement it:
1. User signs into MC. Server identifies that user hasn't been asked yet, so says: "We'd like to track some of your usage of Minecraft (completely anonymous, don't worry). If you could let us do this, we'd be really grateful as it helps us with the development of Minecraft a lot and it also means that we can give you really cool graphs on our blogs, etc. If you're cool with this, click 'Yes', otherwise, click 'No'. Thanks"
2. User answers, MC reports answer to server, MC obeys that.
phLOx - 14 years ago
Go for it, I've got nothing to hide. Making it optional will also please the paranoid among us. By the comments here it is obvious some people would not like to tell you how much time they spend in the game, as you might realise they do nothing else.
I love statistics so please do share! Go for PC specs and average framerates too. And a stats page on your website would be nice. Amount of chickens killed, times The End have been visited etc, combined for all players!
unknown - 14 years ago
i don't like the idea at all, maybe if there was a option where ppl could choose if they want to send the data, but to force it on everyone will be really bad, i for 1 will uninstall and never come back. but then u already got my money so why would u care
With the way the coding of MC is at the moment, this is a very bad idea i can see alot of hacking of accounts and computers if this is put into it
I have voted no, not couse im a paranoid kid and not couse i havnt buyd it, i have done this couse i am old ;-)
Its IMPORTANT for Software like this to track data, maybe, but you should ask at the end of the session for this data to be send, not sending this data the hole time or without the will of the user.
Think the user should have the Choice...
Privacy Is Important, Very Important, couse in times of the net its the only thing you have.
Grawderu - 14 years ago
yes. most of the people that vote no have either obtained it illegally and afraid that it will check this, (good reason too), or just had bad run-ins with other companies doing this by either messing with their files or slowing their internet/game.
Hopefully this will be an option, should only send data after a session is complete (so bandwidth will be low and you'll have less files but same info), show exactly what you are obtaining and maybe an option to pick what is sent for those paranoid people. (in case they are using mods they don't like others to know about or are afraid that their current creation is going to be stolen)
and hopefully you read what others want. I know it would be hard to find certain suggestions... to many comments...
sqhsxy - 14 years ago
Probably not every 10 mins, that's too frequent
anon - 14 years ago
Make it opt-in in that case - that's what many applications that do this do.
maru - 14 years ago
Just make a pool every now and then when you need to make a decision based on the players habits.
I play offline anyway because its faster to klick the offline button than to type the pass:P
Any way the grate thing is that you ask players for permition:)
What i would like to sugest is that when the player wants, he can press a button which will send his stats to you. You might want to have a checkbox next to it to keep it "pressed" at all times and send this data on every login. That i find most fair to all:)
Wut - 14 years ago
I never asked for this... no thanks, make it an opt in option, dont just enable this because the majority of people want it.
Also please get your support to actually support players (do you pay your support guy/guys?), you seem to care little about that.
Foss - 14 years ago
I'd opt in for a decent, ethical company like Mojang, but not for the big industry players.
Rather than connect intermittently to send stats, how about recording it and offering a "Send anonymous data" option at the end of the session? If the client chooses no, the stats are deleted.
MDMonster - 14 years ago
If you want to collect the data for improving the game.... its simple port it over to C or C++ and we'll be set. The game will run like 2000x better :D........... stupid java
Chris - 14 years ago
Wouldn't it be easier to just have it as an opt-in? Sort of like your updates? It seems the support is strong enough that it should happen, but there's no reason to piss off the rest with unoptional tracking.
Azurist - 14 years ago
I don't particularly like the idea of the game connecting to the net intermittently- I've got limited bandwidth to work with, for one thing. I wouldn't be adverse to having this built into the Minecraft game with an opt-out in the options menu, though.
honema - 14 years ago
i LOVE the idea but uuuhm... could you change the update time to 30 min?
my computer isn't that fast and connecting the mojang server would slow down EXTREMELY...
so dyeah but i like everything else
Liam - 14 years ago
I voted yes. Why? Because the data helps make the game better. If you play Valve games on Steam, many usage statistics are tracked, and Valve uses these to balance the games and make them better.
And honestly, if the data is anonymous how could it affect us anyway so why not? It can only be good.
Lollol2 - 14 years ago
Lol!
You No-voters are FUCKING stupid!
Notch didn't even have to ask for this, he could just do it, and slip in a small notice about it somewhere in the ToS, without any specific official update-notice. People never read that anyways, so people wouldn't care the least bit. You're all fucking paranoid, and need to stop whining about something as small as this.
Please let the adults decide on this, and not some weak ass 10-year old kid who only knows how to say "No".
AMSDesign - 14 years ago
I am completely for that, as long as this connection/monitoring does not create any lag issues at all!
Mr Jolly - 14 years ago
Of course you can have this data. You know why? Because you asked nicely.
Stonehawk - 14 years ago
Please bear in mind, dear sir, that this only appeals even remotely to my interests because I have a particularly high quotient of respect for yourself and your business. If any other company asked me this, I would quite frankly and promptly spit in their face with nary a second thought.
However, most esteemed fellow, please do allow us the ability to opt-in and opt-out at will.
AcidSikeO - 14 years ago
I like Minecraft alot. But, sorry dude, how I play is none of yer d***ed business. I know if you use this data to "enhance" the game according to the whim of a bunch of ADD addled users, I will no longer be someone you are catering. What you really need to be doing right now is halt further development for awhile and concentrate on fixing the current game so it stops hammering the s**t out of my CPUs.
Chris - 14 years ago
I really like this idea. However, I would really recommend it checking to see what mods are being ran. This way you can see what all the players desire from the game, that they currently aren't getting with the vanilla minecraft. I really love how you try your best to make this game entirely revolve around the players, and not just what you want. Your an awesome person and have made an awesome game. Keep up the great work bud!!!
David - 14 years ago
I hope you will be able to see what mods are being used. hopefully that'll give you some idea of desired features you may not realise are being met by external means.
Mike - 14 years ago
I voted yes. Why?
1. It should be Optional! Either in the Options Menu or before logout.
2. Watch out for bandwidth. I have very slow internet.
bobolous - 14 years ago
Make it optional.
Let me know how much of my precious bandwidth you'll be using (and keep it minimal - just a transmit on log-out).
TheTank1988 - 14 years ago
I voted "No" only because I don't really like the idea of a company looking-in on my game randomly every ten minutes, even if I remain anonymous.
Sometimes Steam asks me if I would like to send anonymous information about my computer. There is a dialogue box asking my permission for this; sending this information is completely voluntary on my part. I always say yes because in a way I feel like Value is asking me for help. I'd be perfectly fine with Mojang/Minecraft using that system.
I agree there should definitely be an opt-out and maybe a reminder in-game that you are sending data to Mojang; maybe when Mojang connects there could be some text in the lower comer saying something to the effect of "Currently sending game play information to Mojang."
AnonimoGeronimo - 14 years ago
TBH, the people that would even know that you put the tracking in without you telling them most likely couldn't care less, and could also make sure you aren't sending any private information to your servers, so it really doesn't matter.
falkensmaze - 14 years ago
Note for those who are concerned about this feature causing lag: A single world chunk contains 32,768 blocks. Each block stores 20 bits of data about block type, details, and lighting, which needs to be transferred to your client (possibly compressed, I'm not an authority on this). That's 655,360 bits, or approximately 82K per chunk. Here is what 80K of text looks like: http://www.lipsum.com/feed/html?amount=80000&what=bytes
Now, chunks affect your download bandwidth, which may be greater than your upload on asymmetric DSL or cable, but my point stands: Mojang would need to collect a lot of data quite frequently to even get near, say, using an additional 5% more bandwidth than the game itself for the purposes of collecting data.
Nunya - 14 years ago
I think it would be fine, just make sure there is NO WAY anything important can get leaked. Keep it to minecraft.
1. Optional.
2. Stockpile the data to send during updates, or something? ev 10 mins sounds too much.
3. Tracking of offline mode, like stored in a database? Not everyone has always-on broadband you realise. I personally have a computer and internet situation that would make you prefer the Eniac.
4. Not everyone plays vanilla minecraft, many of us use mods that affect our playstyle. One example is that with the popular TMI and SPC, people do not need to be in creative mode while playing as though they were.
5. You should work with the modding community, such as optifine, make the mods vanilla. Not the right place to post this but hey, since I have your attention... Also, grey clay makes grey bricks and orange clay makes red bricks. Get it right!
~
i think there should be a settings option to allow you to send data or not like on phpbb3 or some linux distros i think even windows has that option somewhere (not sure)
tuffjuffers - 14 years ago
@Elusivehawk
I'm sorry to hear your internet is too crappy to allow a 500 byte text file to be uploaded once per day, and that the very idea of creating a new text document, no matter how large or small! makes your meager CPU burst into flames.
Lawl.
falkensmaze - 14 years ago
Postscript: +1 to Curtis for pointing out the potential danger of Mojang misusing the data to "focus-group" the game into a banal existence instead of applying intuition and creativity in deciding what will instead truly make Minecraft an even better game.
falkensmaze - 14 years ago
I'm just echoing the sentiment that it should be an opt-in feature and done with full consent of the logged-in player only. (I'm assuming that condition was left out of the poll because it was obviously what you were planning to implement anyway.) Also, depending what data is included, a Minecraft server should be able to instruct clients to disable the analytics while they are connected to that server.
And yes, being transparent with *exactly* what data you are collecting, and committing to share it with the world (anonymously) increase the chances I will leave the feature enabled.
rabbitfang - 14 years ago
Some people are really opposed to anonymous tracking because well, there is no real guarantee that the tracking indeed cannot be traced back to them (it is like not knowing if a website stores plain text passwords or no). However, together with Mojang's transparency and being rather easy to decompile MC, I think that more people will be open to it.
I would make it an opt-out option though. Explain why you are doing it, and exactly what you are sending.
Also, don't send info every few minutes. Cache it locally and send it in the next login, or next connection to a server. Also, send compressed data.
Chris - 14 years ago
Make it optional, im ok with it anyways.
Elusivehawk - 14 years ago
HELL. NO.
Some people (Such as myself) have crappy Internet/computers. Even if it's anonymous, that would jack up my bandwidth usage and my computer's CPU usage quite a bit, which some people cannot afford.
Make it an option, or else someone in the community will make a mod that disables this feature.
i totally agree that mojang can use our information to make the game better, but i think it should be optional. a little on off thing in the settings, thats all.
Seth - 14 years ago
Hailz yes.
I love stats for games and I don't even care if they are anon or not because I want to see my stats.
A lot of people are having really douchy comments on here for no reason and need to realize that they are doing us a service and we need to respect them.
Zander - 14 years ago
It would be cool but add like a feature that lets you servey us when we want you to :)
The_Dizzie - 14 years ago
It could get us more updates, cant say no to that! I just suggest that Mojang make it optional in our account profile if we want to share our game play information or not, for those people who dont want to be part of it.
Jeff - 14 years ago
Y'know why I don't mind submitting my anonymous data to Mojang? Because you guys basically ask straight up if we mind. I doubt I'm the only one that feels this way, because it actually makes me feel a part of a community, and Notch and Co. are obviously trying to improve my experience in game in an open and transparent way.
Yes, take my anonymous data all you'd like. My only condition is that you guys remain as awesome as you are.
P.S. Thanks for Minecraft! :D
AvodRashod - 14 years ago
I feel like adding a poll in the main menu for feedback is a good idea
Fireheart - 14 years ago
Sure. I'm just glad you fixed the damn ladders
DreamWillow12 - 14 years ago
It would be a good idea, just as long as it's optional :)
Shy - 14 years ago
I'd be totally cool with it and would love to see the stats as well. But, as most people here are saying, Make it optional. :)
Argre000 - 14 years ago
I would be fine with this, as long as it could be turned off through the options menu.
Kev - 14 years ago
NO! Just fix the bugs and lags in Minecraft... Optimize your damn code...
CP - 14 years ago
This would be ok, if it were disabled per default and had to be activated manually in the options menu (opt-in). Or if the game would ask the player once if she/he want's to participate with the possibility to change this later in the options menu, so that only people who want to share this data share it.
An opt-out-solution would also include people who don't know what's going on and wouldn't match with the openness Mojang's customers might expect. Opt-out has always the smell of trickery.
DR - 14 years ago
Halo does this, infact they track all movements and can generate heat map for each of the maps in the game. It really helps with how they develop new maps.
Zippy - 14 years ago
I'd rather NOT have tracking or a least an option to turn it off.
For me personally,i play and admin a server in the US (im in the UK) so in theory i can only see it adding lag spikes due to it having to send packets to the game server and to minecrafts data collection servers every time it uploads.
Also, is there really anything interesting about what OS we use?
You've only got to look for the market share data on Google.
Here's 1 link: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10
Here: another: http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share.php
I dont need yet another hardware/software polling/spyware running,theres more than enough already.
Austin - 14 years ago
the updates that have been coming out arent aimed towards me in the slightest... so yea, track me playing in peaceful mode just exploring and building only the basic tools and a boat... marking territory with giant single block towers to say where ive been in the horizon.
Anon - 14 years ago
You kill me sometimes...
Anon - 14 years ago
You kill me sometimes...
Curtis - 14 years ago
Basing game play on metrics will only cater to the majority (granted this works in enterprise software where the price tag more than offsets the rapid specific development of paid-for features), and if the game is continually refined over time according to the metrics it will only serve to reduce (albeit in an efficient and optimal way) the market audience for the game to only those that favor all majority driven features.
Additionally, a massive portion of the market utilizes modifications which make the game very un-vanilla, there's no good way to track the metrics for those.
On top of this, you will need to be absolutely confident that the metrics you are tracking, AND how you choose to interpret them are in line with reality, or you risk veering very far off course.
Why not have it log when you start Minecraft and log when you end the session? Instead of having it periodically check. Unless there was additional data being shared beyond this. Even if there was it could send this data all at the end of the session, no?
Also, data sharing should ultimately be optional. That way the 12% of people who do not want their data shared can check a box saying do not share data.
FibonacciSerpent - 14 years ago
This is awesome, but not as awesome as I thought it might have been or is at the time being. I thought it would do all kinds of data, probably can't though but not sure how the whole internet data process works heh. Either way I could see the team developing/making new patches for the game, or if they are going to continue to make more patches which I am pretty sure they are, based on things like how many bricks do they destroy, how people do things in that way. to grow from the experiences individual players are playing the game. Of Course to review all that data would be insane. Either way I could see them finding a wonderful use to enhance the game in ways and dimensions, not talking like put it to 3-D or something (though that could be awesome if it isn't already) (I seem to know a lot more about nothing than I do about something here lmao) but like an interesting feature in the game that really turns the game over for a loop, almost like the upside down castle in Castlevania Symphony of the Knight. Just a big reason for those who got tired of the game to really want to play it again (and those of which probably have a bunch of friends who would join them who may be tired of the game as well) I am in this position, and there are tons out there that are in this same position.
This game expands minds more than most think, with it's open world do anything. You experience Creation in a video game, and on top of that (and probably most important) adding modding tools or allowing mods for the game, thus letting modders create.
Keep up with the amazing work,
FibonacciSerpent (you know the good kind of snake, not the horrible rap it gets all the time. Think of the Caduceus and not the silent killer lol.)
Will - 14 years ago
Please put something in-game (control panel?) that lets us see a bit of what you're collecting straight from our own box. Making your program transparent about what it's doing is the way we need to go since the alternative is being suspicious of what's going on behind the scenes ("well he SAYS it's just X Y and Z but I think it's X Y Z and F!!")
jrdiver - 14 years ago
Besides that make it so that the statistics/achievements are saved to the minecraft servers for consistency between multiple computers and in case of needing to re-install os after getting all the achievements/statistics and we could get a grand total between multiple computers besides your enjoyment of seeing how much we do in mc and how much we play.
Coolo1 - 14 years ago
Awesome, just don't add an opt out button so you can catch hose hackers, make it an opt in full for those who want their usernames and passwords tracked (Like me) by the creator of the game who can easily find and destroy them anyway.
dominuscraft - 14 years ago
Meh. I dont care.
Eric Liedke - 14 years ago
PLEASE BRING BACK THE [F] Toggle Button! Its annoying to go into menu and chick it.
I don't approve of the ladders change that was made. It messed up allot of dungeons but, I guess I can get used to it.
I like this idea of data. Just make sure it doesn't lag balls and spike storm the game every 10 minutes.
Please make some kind of Minecraftian language so we can figure out what the hell we are enchanting on our stuff. Also, a disenchant option would be cool.
Thats all for my input/trolling. Keep up the great work!
p.s. Its funny that Notch isn't responsible for the changes since the switch over, yet we still blame him for all the derpy updates :D
Patrick - 14 years ago
I guess it would be fine, but there still should be an Offline mode because sometimes its nice to be able to play when you cant connect!
I voted I don't mind. I would ask that you provide the users with 100% transparency on the data that you collect and to which the format it's received in.
I voted yes because i agree with most of it, but I think it's getting a little too personal by checking which operating system people have
With only those 2 options for the poll, I have to vote NO. Make a more nuanced poll and you might see more nuanced answers. You MUST make this an opt-in thing. Even better, post all your collected data for the world to see on your site so that we can see what you are or aren't collecting.
Like others have said. It needs to be an option that's off by default.
How about giving the option in your profile settings to enable/disable data-tracking?
Just enable it by default and send out a message that everyone who doesn't wants its data tracked to disable the option.
I like the idea. As long as you don't track non-Minecraft-related software, I'll have no complaints.
This should be optional if it gets put in the game. And off by defaut!
This is bad.
What about he also get the age of the players of this data and even the ages of kids/adults who voted YES.
I dont really like the fact that developers base there changes on games based on the mass, since the mass consists of kids nowadays.
Which is fine that the mass contains a lot of kiddies, but the fact that games are based on what they think is quite bad.
yes, let us choose wether we want to send the data or not.
I think we should have the choice to let you in on what we do and do not do with the game. I bought the game and to you that is all that should matter, no offense or anything...
I really don't see why people make such a fuss about it. They aren't spying on your computer, the most interesting thing Mojang would be able to find out about you is how long you place each time and what actions you do ingame, they probably won't even know what you're making or destroying.
But I do agree it would be best to make it optional and make logs for peace's sake.
And to those people who said Mojang doesn't care about it's players, think again. If they didn't care, they wouldn't be asking this kind of thing, wouldn't listen to player suggestions and just do what they want. It's also insulting to hear.
I trust the guys at mojang. So I say yes.
I think it would really help them in some ways, maybe this helps them to add new ideas if they know how you play the game. Maybe they add or enhance stuff for things that players preferably do, or soething else.
And for people who say that it's not good that they want customer data: They are not facebook or something like that. First, they wouldn't gather some private information only to spam you with ads. Second, they just gather some gameplay informations, othing like name, telefon or stuff. And last: C'mon, it's mojang. I don't think they are that kind of people. Just call me naive for that, but I don't think they are a bunch of money-grubbing bastards which don't care for privacy.
So: Make it an option that is turned off by default, so nobody can complain that they got spyed out without knowing about it.
Also: If you are watching the gameplay anyway, implent some kind of global statistic screen(that only works for vanilla players, because of fairness).
I am not against this, I am supporting this. But I think we should be reasonable:
How about sending the informations AFTER a given session? So, instead of sending it every 10/100/10000000000 minutes, it would be gathering data, which then would be sent after finishing a session. That could take off a huge load. I have a friend who can barely run this game, now imagine if the CPU gets a load because of the reports.
Seriously people, what do you have to be afraid off of? Yes, i agree, that it should be opt in and out, but other than that, im fine even with getting info about how many times i hit a given block and with what, that would be nice to see what tools are the most popular for a given block, etc. -- informations, purely for fun :)
What i do think, is that before this there could be another poll what do you like and not like about the "new" minecraft -- remember that there were MAJOR changes in gameplay, and world generations during the past few years. Many of the current items, and how they behave are kind of blank papers, they are there, but they could do so much more...
Pistons, Redstone behaviours, etc. -- I know that there are TONS of mods out there, but i rather not want any mods IF the game gould offer it as official content. I am not talking about these only, or mobs, or anything... i am talking about simple stuff that could make a miner's life so much easier, namely:
- "convenient inventory" behaviour
- block hp shouldnt reset instantly - they shouldnt reset at all, or they could reset after X seconds
- map generation... It would be so much fun if we could change the map generator between the different stages: Indev, infdev, alpha, pre 1.8... OMG! Think about the possibilities :)
The game overall should be in C++, becaue the current system requirements are kinda...well, lets just say java is not made for 3d gaming...:)
I would play MC atm, but i can't connect due to that issue with the change of the email address D:
Yes so we can keep track of greifers in-game
The paranoia of people flares up again. I'm happy to see that at least a majority of comments are reasonable, seeing that this is nothing unusual and nothing to get upset about if it's optional. But some of the negative responses - I don't even know where to begin with you people, this is so entertaining :)
First of all, comparing Mojang to Facebook/Google for wanting user statistics. Now, the reason that Facebook/Google are hated by some for this is simply because it's for advertisement purposes. If any web service would use data just to make your experience better/smoother, only the most paranoid would complain. When it's used for directed advertisement, a bit more level-headed people get upset too. But what in anyone's name can that have to do with Mojang or Minecraft? What usage data could they collect that they could use for something like that?
And to the people saying that Notch should just "spend 10 minutes on the forums" or "send out a survey" to find out how people play the game. Do you understand how statistics work? Minecraft has sold close to 5 million copies and has 20+million registered users. Do you think that the relatively small subset of people who frequent the forums are in any way representative of those millions of people? I can assure you that the typical user is not one who spends time on the forums - those are very atypical. Doesn't mean that they are less valuable people of course, but they are in a clear minority and probably a different kind of Minecraft player than the majority. Going to the forums and spending 10 minutes there will tell you nothing about ~5 million players.
And a survey has its own problems - mostly the same one, that only an atypical group of people would take the time to respond to it. There's also the question of our very imperfect memory. I have no idea when I played Minecraft last or for how long, and I'd assume that most typical players would have the same problem.
Then I've seen people saying that it's "unclear" from the blog posts that Notch is just talking about innocent game data. How can it be unclear? How are people reading what he says always so stubborn in refusing to understand?
I remember when Notch first change the wording of the "free updates forever"-thing. He said very clearly, several times, that those who bought it while that wording was up will still get that and that everyone that buys it will get at least version 1.0 and probably more updates after that. But for weeks the internet was abuzz with people who refused to read that and claimed that they had been cheated, that they'd have to pay for Minecraft again when it goes out of beta, and so on.
And now people are reading a short blog post that contains very specific examples of what type of data it's about. It says that it's "non-private data about the game" such as OS, gamemode, playtime and which client you are using. And people are saying that it's unclear if Notch means just game data? Accuse him of lying about it if you want to, but if you think the blog post is unclear in stating his intentions you're just being willfully obtuse.
I could not in any way care less about Mojang or any other game company collecting anonymous statistics about their games. I can't figure out why anyone else would either, but as long as those people can opt out I can't see why anyone would object to this.
Good morning/day/evening/midnight snack break,
I really don't think something like data tracking is what you would need.
But personally I would be ok with it if it was optional and with log files.
If you really want to improve the game, just as a suggestion, find a way to improve
the game's way of loading chunks / displaying the world (you always see the skybox on the horizon, how cool would it be to see the generated chunks there?).
Better performance would really be awesome.
Hey Jamie and kommo, if I copy Minecraft to a notebook and all of a sudden there's a message up my top left corner I should buy Minecraft then it just did verify the validity of my license. Verifying licenses is DRM. This is what DRM is supposed to do. So with all due respect: Fuck you morons.
If that changed after beta I hereby truthfully apologize. But afaik it didn't.
Just make that survey stuff optional Notch. It would be win/win for everyone.
I think Notch made this survey for a whole different reason, than to actually track stats from in game. I also think the result has very disappointed him. Thank you for proving the point a little bit deeper, man. I hope you make people realize in the end somehow.
1) Make it optional.
2) Show me a log file of what's been sent in the last 24 hours
With those two items, I'm all for you _logging game data only_.
I'm fairly certain that's your intent, but it's clear to me that many of the above don't get that from your post. Understanding how we play the game can certainly be valuable to you. But monitoring any of my activities outside of your game would be wholly and completely unacceptable.
Keep up the great efforts, grats on a great game and community.
Sure why not. I don't even care. Do you know why? Because I think all of you freaking out are silly paranoid fools.
Why do I give a flying **** if they see that I punch 10000 trees and kill creepers for fun? It's minecraft for christs sake. What are you doing that you're so afraid of sharing? Building giant nazi symbols? Holding online meetings with your pedophile group? No? Then big damn deal.
You want to see what I spend my time in minecraft doing so you can improve those same things, great. It's not like hes asking to see your porn browsing habits outside of games. You people are parenoid.
And for those ignorant fools talking about it being DRM, please just go hang yourselfs or learn what DRM actually is.
Thanks
Please let this be an optional function. Other than taht, I'm ok with this.
And please let the idiots disappear who are unable to tell the difference between DRM and Login-In for INTERNET-MULTIPLAYER.
I bought MC with the promise of no DRM. And what did I get? An account bound software I have to log-in every time I want to use it. There's barely more DRM you could have implemented and the only saving grace is that your game works without a successful log-in (read no Internet) at least in SP.
And know you want to spy on your customers? Seriously? First lying and now spying?
You better make that optional Notch. If you want to know what I do all day long while playing your great game send me a survey to my email you got when I bought it!
I'm going to chime in with the others requesting that it be optional/configurable from in-game. Additionally, it would be nice to have an option to log *exactly* what is sent to a file or something so we can decide if we want to continue using said service.
So Mojang wants to become Facebook/Google. If you want to find out what people do, create a survey and ask people to take it. There is no need or reason for you to spy on everyone. There is too much trust from the people posting here about a company that in reality they know very little bout. How do we know this data is in fact anonymous and non-private? If this is implemented and there is no opt-out, prepare for an exodus of people.
"DookBuckenburger - 15 hours ago
No No and NO!!! Firggin ASK us why dont you? Make a post in the forums and we WILL tell you!!!!! I do not need yet another friggin service running in the background sending supposedly "anonymous" to some company that is too damned lazy to ASK. Christ sake READ THE FORUMS it would take you 10 minutes to figure out how people are playing Minecraft. PAY Attention to your community Christ sake. How is it that most people in the community can answer these questions for you but the creators of the game are clueless?
If you ask me this is a lame attempt at seeking out pirates playing on stolen clients. If not this then there's some other reason that's not being said cuz ALL of the info you are interested in is readily apparent in the community and if not, easily figured out by looking at logins compared to page views, quit bullshitting and come up with the real reason , at least be honest."
This sounds perfectly normal to me. Just as mc.net got statistics on how many players are registred/bought mc, you could get statistics like how many players played survival/creative in the last mounth/day/year... And it's anonymous so why wouldn't you vote yes? There's no reason. No reason. If there were statistics on the site about how many players are playing(played) survival, would you consider it evil or something normal?
I would suggest to put this to the options so you can switch it on or off.
Its a gread idea though. Would be imrpove the game according to the gamers behaviours.
I am saying yes, since you have developed the game in a way that shows the community is important to you. It should be optional though....
Opt-in/out sounds like the best idea. That way you can implement it and let the individual decide for themselves even if majority say yes as then it won't affect those who don't want to do it
FUCK Mojang! This poll is faked! How can so many people say it is ok?!
It would be nice, if every player could choose for himself (or herself =P). Something like a switch in the optionmenu. So every one who wants to share information, could do it and every one who don't, can sleep softely. Good willing is one side. But on the other I'd rather keep it in my hand which information I am sharing with others.
God damn it, my english is one fat a**.
To get statistically conclusive data you don't need the statisically "universe" (the hole population).
Make a survey how players played the game during the last week.
1. Give some random players the opportunity to participate in the survey.
2. Repeat the survey a couple of times with the same players.
3. You will get some nice longitudinal data.
The players stay "in touch" with the survey without feeling monitored. You will get reliable data without appearing "evil" to 14% of the community.
Besides that: It is so sad that people get called paranoid just because they want to protect their fundamental right to have privacy.
Battlelog for Minecraft ~ Minelog a active state's page I'm all for that, but not sharing only for Notch to see, that's ego.
Everybody knows sharing is caring
Fully agree with James Billingham
At least you told us what you want to do and its very rare that you are actually asking the users if the move is okay. With people like that running the business I'm all good with sharing my info. Not that its any private info anyway.
Maybe something else to look at is line speeds, will it slow down the gamers experience if the game lags because of the 10 min update? etc
Keep doing what you're doing team, you're living our dreams! Woohooo! Go Mahjong and Notch!
Wouldnt it be nice to have sopmething like a Log where you can see all your data online like or example BattleLog for Battlefield 3? Seems interesting to me and compare yourself to other players!
Imo, the really important thing about this is that:
1. You asked us about it.
2. You made us aware of it.
For those two reasons, I trust you with my data and am more than happy to let you use it.
I'd recommend/ask that you do something along the lines of the following when you implement it:
1. User signs into MC. Server identifies that user hasn't been asked yet, so says: "We'd like to track some of your usage of Minecraft (completely anonymous, don't worry). If you could let us do this, we'd be really grateful as it helps us with the development of Minecraft a lot and it also means that we can give you really cool graphs on our blogs, etc. If you're cool with this, click 'Yes', otherwise, click 'No'. Thanks"
2. User answers, MC reports answer to server, MC obeys that.
Go for it, I've got nothing to hide. Making it optional will also please the paranoid among us. By the comments here it is obvious some people would not like to tell you how much time they spend in the game, as you might realise they do nothing else.
I love statistics so please do share! Go for PC specs and average framerates too. And a stats page on your website would be nice. Amount of chickens killed, times The End have been visited etc, combined for all players!
i don't like the idea at all, maybe if there was a option where ppl could choose if they want to send the data, but to force it on everyone will be really bad, i for 1 will uninstall and never come back. but then u already got my money so why would u care
With the way the coding of MC is at the moment, this is a very bad idea i can see alot of hacking of accounts and computers if this is put into it
I have voted no, not couse im a paranoid kid and not couse i havnt buyd it, i have done this couse i am old ;-)
Its IMPORTANT for Software like this to track data, maybe, but you should ask at the end of the session for this data to be send, not sending this data the hole time or without the will of the user.
Think the user should have the Choice...
Privacy Is Important, Very Important, couse in times of the net its the only thing you have.
yes. most of the people that vote no have either obtained it illegally and afraid that it will check this, (good reason too), or just had bad run-ins with other companies doing this by either messing with their files or slowing their internet/game.
Hopefully this will be an option, should only send data after a session is complete (so bandwidth will be low and you'll have less files but same info), show exactly what you are obtaining and maybe an option to pick what is sent for those paranoid people. (in case they are using mods they don't like others to know about or are afraid that their current creation is going to be stolen)
and hopefully you read what others want. I know it would be hard to find certain suggestions... to many comments...
Probably not every 10 mins, that's too frequent
Make it opt-in in that case - that's what many applications that do this do.
Just make a pool every now and then when you need to make a decision based on the players habits.
I play offline anyway because its faster to klick the offline button than to type the pass:P
Any way the grate thing is that you ask players for permition:)
What i would like to sugest is that when the player wants, he can press a button which will send his stats to you. You might want to have a checkbox next to it to keep it "pressed" at all times and send this data on every login. That i find most fair to all:)
I never asked for this... no thanks, make it an opt in option, dont just enable this because the majority of people want it.
Also please get your support to actually support players (do you pay your support guy/guys?), you seem to care little about that.
I'd opt in for a decent, ethical company like Mojang, but not for the big industry players.
Rather than connect intermittently to send stats, how about recording it and offering a "Send anonymous data" option at the end of the session? If the client chooses no, the stats are deleted.
If you want to collect the data for improving the game.... its simple port it over to C or C++ and we'll be set. The game will run like 2000x better :D........... stupid java
Wouldn't it be easier to just have it as an opt-in? Sort of like your updates? It seems the support is strong enough that it should happen, but there's no reason to piss off the rest with unoptional tracking.
I don't particularly like the idea of the game connecting to the net intermittently- I've got limited bandwidth to work with, for one thing. I wouldn't be adverse to having this built into the Minecraft game with an opt-out in the options menu, though.
i LOVE the idea but uuuhm... could you change the update time to 30 min?
my computer isn't that fast and connecting the mojang server would slow down EXTREMELY...
so dyeah but i like everything else
I voted yes. Why? Because the data helps make the game better. If you play Valve games on Steam, many usage statistics are tracked, and Valve uses these to balance the games and make them better.
And honestly, if the data is anonymous how could it affect us anyway so why not? It can only be good.
Lol!
You No-voters are FUCKING stupid!
Notch didn't even have to ask for this, he could just do it, and slip in a small notice about it somewhere in the ToS, without any specific official update-notice. People never read that anyways, so people wouldn't care the least bit. You're all fucking paranoid, and need to stop whining about something as small as this.
Please let the adults decide on this, and not some weak ass 10-year old kid who only knows how to say "No".
I am completely for that, as long as this connection/monitoring does not create any lag issues at all!
Of course you can have this data. You know why? Because you asked nicely.
Please bear in mind, dear sir, that this only appeals even remotely to my interests because I have a particularly high quotient of respect for yourself and your business. If any other company asked me this, I would quite frankly and promptly spit in their face with nary a second thought.
However, most esteemed fellow, please do allow us the ability to opt-in and opt-out at will.
I like Minecraft alot. But, sorry dude, how I play is none of yer d***ed business. I know if you use this data to "enhance" the game according to the whim of a bunch of ADD addled users, I will no longer be someone you are catering. What you really need to be doing right now is halt further development for awhile and concentrate on fixing the current game so it stops hammering the s**t out of my CPUs.
I really like this idea. However, I would really recommend it checking to see what mods are being ran. This way you can see what all the players desire from the game, that they currently aren't getting with the vanilla minecraft. I really love how you try your best to make this game entirely revolve around the players, and not just what you want. Your an awesome person and have made an awesome game. Keep up the great work bud!!!
I hope you will be able to see what mods are being used. hopefully that'll give you some idea of desired features you may not realise are being met by external means.
I voted yes. Why?
1. It should be Optional! Either in the Options Menu or before logout.
2. Watch out for bandwidth. I have very slow internet.
Make it optional.
Let me know how much of my precious bandwidth you'll be using (and keep it minimal - just a transmit on log-out).
I voted "No" only because I don't really like the idea of a company looking-in on my game randomly every ten minutes, even if I remain anonymous.
Sometimes Steam asks me if I would like to send anonymous information about my computer. There is a dialogue box asking my permission for this; sending this information is completely voluntary on my part. I always say yes because in a way I feel like Value is asking me for help. I'd be perfectly fine with Mojang/Minecraft using that system.
I agree there should definitely be an opt-out and maybe a reminder in-game that you are sending data to Mojang; maybe when Mojang connects there could be some text in the lower comer saying something to the effect of "Currently sending game play information to Mojang."
TBH, the people that would even know that you put the tracking in without you telling them most likely couldn't care less, and could also make sure you aren't sending any private information to your servers, so it really doesn't matter.
Note for those who are concerned about this feature causing lag: A single world chunk contains 32,768 blocks. Each block stores 20 bits of data about block type, details, and lighting, which needs to be transferred to your client (possibly compressed, I'm not an authority on this). That's 655,360 bits, or approximately 82K per chunk. Here is what 80K of text looks like: http://www.lipsum.com/feed/html?amount=80000&what=bytes
Now, chunks affect your download bandwidth, which may be greater than your upload on asymmetric DSL or cable, but my point stands: Mojang would need to collect a lot of data quite frequently to even get near, say, using an additional 5% more bandwidth than the game itself for the purposes of collecting data.
I think it would be fine, just make sure there is NO WAY anything important can get leaked. Keep it to minecraft.
1. Optional.
2. Stockpile the data to send during updates, or something? ev 10 mins sounds too much.
3. Tracking of offline mode, like stored in a database? Not everyone has always-on broadband you realise. I personally have a computer and internet situation that would make you prefer the Eniac.
4. Not everyone plays vanilla minecraft, many of us use mods that affect our playstyle. One example is that with the popular TMI and SPC, people do not need to be in creative mode while playing as though they were.
5. You should work with the modding community, such as optifine, make the mods vanilla. Not the right place to post this but hey, since I have your attention... Also, grey clay makes grey bricks and orange clay makes red bricks. Get it right!
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i think there should be a settings option to allow you to send data or not like on phpbb3 or some linux distros i think even windows has that option somewhere (not sure)
@Elusivehawk
I'm sorry to hear your internet is too crappy to allow a 500 byte text file to be uploaded once per day, and that the very idea of creating a new text document, no matter how large or small! makes your meager CPU burst into flames.
Lawl.
Postscript: +1 to Curtis for pointing out the potential danger of Mojang misusing the data to "focus-group" the game into a banal existence instead of applying intuition and creativity in deciding what will instead truly make Minecraft an even better game.
I'm just echoing the sentiment that it should be an opt-in feature and done with full consent of the logged-in player only. (I'm assuming that condition was left out of the poll because it was obviously what you were planning to implement anyway.) Also, depending what data is included, a Minecraft server should be able to instruct clients to disable the analytics while they are connected to that server.
And yes, being transparent with *exactly* what data you are collecting, and committing to share it with the world (anonymously) increase the chances I will leave the feature enabled.
Some people are really opposed to anonymous tracking because well, there is no real guarantee that the tracking indeed cannot be traced back to them (it is like not knowing if a website stores plain text passwords or no). However, together with Mojang's transparency and being rather easy to decompile MC, I think that more people will be open to it.
I would make it an opt-out option though. Explain why you are doing it, and exactly what you are sending.
Also, don't send info every few minutes. Cache it locally and send it in the next login, or next connection to a server. Also, send compressed data.
Make it optional, im ok with it anyways.
HELL. NO.
Some people (Such as myself) have crappy Internet/computers. Even if it's anonymous, that would jack up my bandwidth usage and my computer's CPU usage quite a bit, which some people cannot afford.
Make it an option, or else someone in the community will make a mod that disables this feature.
At least you asked. And for that I say yes.
Make it optional.
i totally agree that mojang can use our information to make the game better, but i think it should be optional. a little on off thing in the settings, thats all.
Hailz yes.
I love stats for games and I don't even care if they are anon or not because I want to see my stats.
A lot of people are having really douchy comments on here for no reason and need to realize that they are doing us a service and we need to respect them.
It would be cool but add like a feature that lets you servey us when we want you to :)
It could get us more updates, cant say no to that! I just suggest that Mojang make it optional in our account profile if we want to share our game play information or not, for those people who dont want to be part of it.
Y'know why I don't mind submitting my anonymous data to Mojang? Because you guys basically ask straight up if we mind. I doubt I'm the only one that feels this way, because it actually makes me feel a part of a community, and Notch and Co. are obviously trying to improve my experience in game in an open and transparent way.
Yes, take my anonymous data all you'd like. My only condition is that you guys remain as awesome as you are.
P.S. Thanks for Minecraft! :D
I feel like adding a poll in the main menu for feedback is a good idea
Sure. I'm just glad you fixed the damn ladders
It would be a good idea, just as long as it's optional :)
I'd be totally cool with it and would love to see the stats as well. But, as most people here are saying, Make it optional. :)
I would be fine with this, as long as it could be turned off through the options menu.
NO! Just fix the bugs and lags in Minecraft... Optimize your damn code...
This would be ok, if it were disabled per default and had to be activated manually in the options menu (opt-in). Or if the game would ask the player once if she/he want's to participate with the possibility to change this later in the options menu, so that only people who want to share this data share it.
An opt-out-solution would also include people who don't know what's going on and wouldn't match with the openness Mojang's customers might expect. Opt-out has always the smell of trickery.
Halo does this, infact they track all movements and can generate heat map for each of the maps in the game. It really helps with how they develop new maps.
I'd rather NOT have tracking or a least an option to turn it off.
For me personally,i play and admin a server in the US (im in the UK) so in theory i can only see it adding lag spikes due to it having to send packets to the game server and to minecrafts data collection servers every time it uploads.
Also, is there really anything interesting about what OS we use?
You've only got to look for the market share data on Google.
Here's 1 link: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10
Here: another: http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share.php
I dont need yet another hardware/software polling/spyware running,theres more than enough already.
the updates that have been coming out arent aimed towards me in the slightest... so yea, track me playing in peaceful mode just exploring and building only the basic tools and a boat... marking territory with giant single block towers to say where ive been in the horizon.
You kill me sometimes...
You kill me sometimes...
Basing game play on metrics will only cater to the majority (granted this works in enterprise software where the price tag more than offsets the rapid specific development of paid-for features), and if the game is continually refined over time according to the metrics it will only serve to reduce (albeit in an efficient and optimal way) the market audience for the game to only those that favor all majority driven features.
Additionally, a massive portion of the market utilizes modifications which make the game very un-vanilla, there's no good way to track the metrics for those.
On top of this, you will need to be absolutely confident that the metrics you are tracking, AND how you choose to interpret them are in line with reality, or you risk veering very far off course.
Why not have it log when you start Minecraft and log when you end the session? Instead of having it periodically check. Unless there was additional data being shared beyond this. Even if there was it could send this data all at the end of the session, no?
Also, data sharing should ultimately be optional. That way the 12% of people who do not want their data shared can check a box saying do not share data.
This is awesome, but not as awesome as I thought it might have been or is at the time being. I thought it would do all kinds of data, probably can't though but not sure how the whole internet data process works heh. Either way I could see the team developing/making new patches for the game, or if they are going to continue to make more patches which I am pretty sure they are, based on things like how many bricks do they destroy, how people do things in that way. to grow from the experiences individual players are playing the game. Of Course to review all that data would be insane. Either way I could see them finding a wonderful use to enhance the game in ways and dimensions, not talking like put it to 3-D or something (though that could be awesome if it isn't already) (I seem to know a lot more about nothing than I do about something here lmao) but like an interesting feature in the game that really turns the game over for a loop, almost like the upside down castle in Castlevania Symphony of the Knight. Just a big reason for those who got tired of the game to really want to play it again (and those of which probably have a bunch of friends who would join them who may be tired of the game as well) I am in this position, and there are tons out there that are in this same position.
This game expands minds more than most think, with it's open world do anything. You experience Creation in a video game, and on top of that (and probably most important) adding modding tools or allowing mods for the game, thus letting modders create.
Keep up with the amazing work,
FibonacciSerpent (you know the good kind of snake, not the horrible rap it gets all the time. Think of the Caduceus and not the silent killer lol.)
Please put something in-game (control panel?) that lets us see a bit of what you're collecting straight from our own box. Making your program transparent about what it's doing is the way we need to go since the alternative is being suspicious of what's going on behind the scenes ("well he SAYS it's just X Y and Z but I think it's X Y Z and F!!")
Besides that make it so that the statistics/achievements are saved to the minecraft servers for consistency between multiple computers and in case of needing to re-install os after getting all the achievements/statistics and we could get a grand total between multiple computers besides your enjoyment of seeing how much we do in mc and how much we play.
Awesome, just don't add an opt out button so you can catch hose hackers, make it an opt in full for those who want their usernames and passwords tracked (Like me) by the creator of the game who can easily find and destroy them anyway.
Meh. I dont care.
PLEASE BRING BACK THE [F] Toggle Button! Its annoying to go into menu and chick it.
I don't approve of the ladders change that was made. It messed up allot of dungeons but, I guess I can get used to it.
I like this idea of data. Just make sure it doesn't lag balls and spike storm the game every 10 minutes.
Please make some kind of Minecraftian language so we can figure out what the hell we are enchanting on our stuff. Also, a disenchant option would be cool.
Thats all for my input/trolling. Keep up the great work!
p.s. Its funny that Notch isn't responsible for the changes since the switch over, yet we still blame him for all the derpy updates :D
I guess it would be fine, but there still should be an Offline mode because sometimes its nice to be able to play when you cant connect!
Why don't you make it optional, Something players can decied for or against in the games options.