I disagree that marriage carries too much tradition, I think its just stupid that gay marriage (or marriage as I call it) is not allowed. but then again im in new zealand, where as a whole we are more laid back on religeon in general then say america. so maybe your right.
but i dont see the need to change the name, as soon as marriage became a government thing it stopped being a religeous sanction, and before it was a religeous sanction it was pretty much something for everyone, good luck telling people that though as everyone seems to think that their religeon started at the beginning of time. I think people just need more edumacation. besides its a human rights issue, not a moral issue, although the hatred people seem to have against homosexuals is a moral issue that reflects their upbringing and culture
Also people should watch this, I found myself laughing through the start of it, however crying by the end of it when i realised how much of a shitty situation LGTB people are in. I thought it was a very touching talk.
Luke - 12 years ago
How long has this poll been going on for on the SSO website. Surely its time for a change?
Annie - 12 years ago
I think marriage carries too much tradition (particularly religion perpetuated) of "between a man and woman only" which seems to be difficult to shake off. This goes against the intent of Australian law to offer the right of equality to people of all genders and sexual orientations and to separate state from religion. For that reason I think marriage should be illegal and any person or group using marriage in a discriminatory way should be prosecuted.
I am all for a public celebration and formal commitment between two people of any gender or sexual orientation, but I believe the robust tradition of marriage in its current form is well past its use by date and the continuation of its use will cause further disharmony in our society.
bob - 12 years ago
I wasn't sure if the poll was asking if I support same sex marriage or if I [personally] would like to get married.
ant - 12 years ago
@jo/John oh John, and one more thing- judging by the polls (though we shouldn't "judge") you are now in the minority for support of Marriage Equality!!! ha ha welcome to OUR world of the last millennium HA HA se how you like it!
ant - 12 years ago
this Jo/John creep is silly and misinformed and probably the type who will go out n hurt people drunk on a Saturday nite
Leviticus and Romans n whoever NEVER met Christ so they got no idea who and what Christ stood for let alone who he walked with!
Secondly i get bored with Bible bashers- i couldn't care less!
give me REAL people and REAL love black or white gay or straight and then let's go head to head BRING IT ON FOOL!
Callum - 12 years ago
@John
You do know that the bible has been written several times over by man? Has several different versions and can be interpreted in different ways.
See this? A guy gets a tattoo using that one line you bible bashers like to spew so much yet he forgets that Leviticus 19:28 forbids tattoos. I would like to see just how many of you are hypocrites, following only the passages that are relevant to you and disregarding everything else.
Why is it that we have to suffer cause of you morons that have to step in everytime that someone doesn't follow your absolute laws? Not everyone is a Christian and not everyone follows the same ideals and beliefs.
Its a free world for most of us these days and a lot of people are becoming more open to new ideas yet we are constantly being dragged into the dark ages cause of what you think is 'wrong.
Plus really, if homosexuality is such a 'sin', then why did god even give us the mental capability to even have homosexual thoughts, huh? Tell me that.
All in all, keep your religious beliefs out of our politics, it's not welcome here.
bia - 12 years ago
@John. When your god does not exist for me, I don't let it govern my rights, any more than I would let someone's belief in unicorns and faeries to govern my rights. Understand that we are all atheists to some degree, I just go one god further than you do. You can quote biblical nonsense and say what you want, but don't expect to be taken seriously by someone who is fighting for equality that has nothing to do with your religious beliefs. If you want religion to affect public policy then I suggest living in a country such as Iraq and tell me about the quality of life there because of it.
God is the ultimate and sovereign judge for sin. Homosexuality is sin by His order; it is not decided by public opinion or deceived/false clergy.
Changing societies do not dictate God's standards. Sin is defined by God for us in the Bible. It is the source for what God says is holy and righteous or sin and abomination.
Hebrews 13:8 states that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever; he does not “go with the flow.”
Sexual sins were rampant in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (This is the origin of the word sodomy.) Despite warnings, they refused to repent. God destroyed those cities and it was recorded as a warning to all future generations. (Genesis 18:20-21, Genesis 19:4-5, 2 Peter 2:6) Some additional scriptures on homosexuality are found in:
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
The price paid for homosexuality and other fornications are told in:
* 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
* Jude 6-7
* Romans 1:18
In spite of the growing secular humanist trend to think "it's ok to be gay," it's not a righteous lifestyle. Most vocal Christians are not homophobic, but are trying to share Christ's love for homosexuals and trying to keep them from horrific judgment.
Is homosexuality a sin? Is there hope for forgiveness?
There absolutely is hope for homosexuals. God can cleanse and purify all persons from sin. As many scriptures as there are that address sin, there are more that speak of forgiveness and redemption. He is able to give deliverance to any who sincerely desire true freedom and salvation. Such is demonstrated in 1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV): "And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." This verse says “some of you were,” meaning they became past acts.
We are offered the empowering Spirit of God to help us turn from our sins. Coming out of drug addiction, homosexuality, pornography, or other sin isn't always easy but God will provide the way. Christians are to "love" into the kingdom, those who desire repentance and to live by His natural plan.
Jesus Christ died on the cross for all of our sins and rose again the third day. He desires that we repent and be forgiven of our sins by coming into a personal relationship with Him.
God is the ultimate and sovereign judge for sin. Homosexuality is sin by His order; it is not decided by public opinion or deceived/false clergy.
Changing societies do not dictate God's standards. Sin is defined by God for us in the Bible. It is the source for what God says is holy and righteous or sin and abomination.
Hebrews 13:8 states that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever; he does not “go with the flow.”
Sexual sins were rampant in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (This is the origin of the word sodomy.) Despite warnings, they refused to repent. God destroyed those cities and it was recorded as a warning to all future generations. (Genesis 18:20-21, Genesis 19:4-5, 2 Peter 2:6) Some additional scriptures on homosexuality are found in:
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:26-27
Phil xenos - 12 years ago
All this result shows is that homosexual people are more religious nutty and ignorant of what Marriage actually is then even the 50% of the Hetrosexualisexual population ,that is divorced .
Sorry ,monogamous marriage is an unatural act in the true meaning of the word for any human ,the true sexual nature ,and backed up with real life is ,POLYGAMY.
See we are Animals called Homosapien and basically smart monkey's,well some of us can learn from the tradgic religious oppression of others,oh the bashings and rapes of women and children that is covered up by Marriage .
Every second of every minute of everyday everywhere !
Why do the defenders of 'Marriage Rites'hate women and children so much ,maybe because they have never met or discussed with Hetrosexual \Bisexual women much ???
Just saying???
Yes any human irrespective of sexual orientation that wants to extend and defend marriage hates women and children ,defends domestic violence continuing , as well as domestic sex and physical SLAVERY!
yes ,that word SLAVERY of one Human to another ,Gees ,pedophila isn't the only crime that the church defends.
Oh well what can be expected from 'Tribal based thinking'which belongs back millenia ago.
hey,its the 21st century AD ,not BC.
stoneage tribal Religious Rites are well a little outdated?!?
Don't you think ,oh thats right the religious minded bearly think primative think now don't they!
any Catholic that wants to get married well talk about it to the Nearest defender of pedophila in a church near you!
Stop trying to tie the rest of us sensible homosexual,bisexuals and hetrosexuals to the Church !
God and religious rites should be left at the church door on your way out.
Ange - 12 years ago
I may or may not want to marry but I damn well want to DECIDE if I want to. No one has the right, govt or not to tell me I can't marry when I'm not a murderer, who by the way, can marry. Go figure that one out! And apparently I'm bad for society! I pay my taxes and work just like anyone else let me marry whomever I so choose. It's not like it's going to kill anyone!
Kate - 12 years ago
The issue here is equality, I pay my taxes, give back to the community and I am human therefore should be treated equally!
And fact for those religious groups/followers who oppose same sex marriage, marriage is NOT just a religious ceremony in fact more people have civil ceremonies now than religious ones and they are still classed as married!!
We're not asking you to agree or change your mind we just want to be treated equal - marriage is an equal right not for heterosexuals!!
Kornelijus Norvidas - 12 years ago
Marriage, and only marriage. I live in Lithuania, and know very good, how is to live without possibility to legalize same-sex relationship in the next one decade as minimum. Civil union is just pragmatic compromise, but not real equality.
phil xenos - 12 years ago
Ho hum,why is the Homosexual community allowing itself to be tied to a religious Rite that is in full crisis and collapse in the General community?
I don't think its the Homosexual community as a whole its the LGBTIQC Identifiers,you know those wierdo's that think a 'Gay ,queer nation"is possible .
Lets get it straight and clear .
Marriage is a Religious Rite the chief form of Oppression of women and children ,the source of 'domestic violence'and an institution belonging to primative Tribal times .
Marriage is not and never will be a 'democratic right'in fact as the churches have always been opposed to democracy ,Marriage is REACTIONARY BACKWARD GOD FAITH THUNKUN CRAP.
Oh I can't wait for the trauma suicides and general human misery of 'Gay\Lesbian "Divorce.
oh did they tell you that Marriage is also a PROPERTY CONTRACT?
Newsflash in Hetrosexual Marriage the Woman is considered chatel,Property,ownership of 1 human by another is called SLAVEY ,SLAVERY has many forms including domestic variety called MARRIAGE.
so now knowing the truth are we still prepared to be lead around by the Provocative backward mined Religious nutty 'Gay|Lesbian"coalition of crap.Hey Catholic Homosexuals are just as reactionary vicious and stupid as the other varieties.
Your sexual orientation dosen't make someone a nice person.I fact its irrelevent to personality.
So if the ALP Lesbian\Gay Catholic Community would please stop opening the rest of us up to attack by religious Biggots over a Backward religious RITE,we my be able to repair the damage already done ,if they remain with their right wing ALP Politics and catholic crap ,oh I am special inj gods eyes crap then we can get on with our lives.
DOWN WITHY ALL RELIGIOUS BACKWARD PRIMATIVE THINKING
PS.GOD DOSEN"T EXIST MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE,science says.
Gordon Stafford - 12 years ago
Marriage is between a man and a woman, full stop. Anything else is making a mockery of something that is special and God ordained. We are heading down the slippery slope of moral decay, Homosexuality is an abomination to God.
Michael - 12 years ago
Did you see the European Court of Human Rights ruled that gay marriage is NOT a right?
i'm a dual citizen
my fiancé and i marry in NYC this july
so what...
we're married in the States
but civil unioned in Australia?
mitchell - 12 years ago
i didnt ask him to civil union me, i asked him to marry me!
Paul - 12 years ago
The name matters, otherwise why do some right wingers oppose gay marriage so much but accept civil union? One purpose to refuse the name marriage is to discriminate, ie gay relationship is somewhat different from straight relationship hence should have a different name. Also, after you "civil unionise" your partner, can you use the term husband/wife to refer to your partner when he/she is not by law. Even if you use the term anyway, deep inside you know he/she really is not. Even if you don't care, what about those who care? Can't you see civil union is so different from full equality?
JestaCat - 12 years ago
I prefer equality - call it what you will (preferably not Marriage, but whatever).
Dave Wells - 12 years ago
If one person has a right in Australia then all people in Australia should share the same right. That's Human rights! Regardless of whether a person agrees with marriage for themselves or not they should be entitled to it. If the church argues that homosexuality is against it's teachings and therefore they have the right not to marry homosexuals than they should not marry and person who does not attend that church on a regular basis or any person who is not a believer in what the church stands for. It's called selective discrimination.
we all deserve the right to marry who we love, its a right not a privilege. it will happen but the question is when? i hope the law does change so i can get married one day and have a family of my own.
gay,straight,black,white marriage is a civil right....
Alex - 12 years ago
Pretty conclusive result. It reflects the general opinion too.
Julie - 12 years ago
It is not about what it is called it is about what it means!
@ Annie
I disagree that marriage carries too much tradition, I think its just stupid that gay marriage (or marriage as I call it) is not allowed. but then again im in new zealand, where as a whole we are more laid back on religeon in general then say america. so maybe your right.
but i dont see the need to change the name, as soon as marriage became a government thing it stopped being a religeous sanction, and before it was a religeous sanction it was pretty much something for everyone, good luck telling people that though as everyone seems to think that their religeon started at the beginning of time. I think people just need more edumacation. besides its a human rights issue, not a moral issue, although the hatred people seem to have against homosexuals is a moral issue that reflects their upbringing and culture
That needs to change. and soon.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/lz_granderson_the_myth_of_the_gay_agenda.html
Also people should watch this, I found myself laughing through the start of it, however crying by the end of it when i realised how much of a shitty situation LGTB people are in. I thought it was a very touching talk.
How long has this poll been going on for on the SSO website. Surely its time for a change?
I think marriage carries too much tradition (particularly religion perpetuated) of "between a man and woman only" which seems to be difficult to shake off. This goes against the intent of Australian law to offer the right of equality to people of all genders and sexual orientations and to separate state from religion. For that reason I think marriage should be illegal and any person or group using marriage in a discriminatory way should be prosecuted.
I am all for a public celebration and formal commitment between two people of any gender or sexual orientation, but I believe the robust tradition of marriage in its current form is well past its use by date and the continuation of its use will cause further disharmony in our society.
I wasn't sure if the poll was asking if I support same sex marriage or if I [personally] would like to get married.
@jo/John oh John, and one more thing- judging by the polls (though we shouldn't "judge") you are now in the minority for support of Marriage Equality!!! ha ha welcome to OUR world of the last millennium HA HA se how you like it!
this Jo/John creep is silly and misinformed and probably the type who will go out n hurt people drunk on a Saturday nite
Leviticus and Romans n whoever NEVER met Christ so they got no idea who and what Christ stood for let alone who he walked with!
Secondly i get bored with Bible bashers- i couldn't care less!
give me REAL people and REAL love black or white gay or straight and then let's go head to head BRING IT ON FOOL!
@John
You do know that the bible has been written several times over by man? Has several different versions and can be interpreted in different ways.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1646374877790&set=p.1646374877790&type=1
See this? A guy gets a tattoo using that one line you bible bashers like to spew so much yet he forgets that Leviticus 19:28 forbids tattoos. I would like to see just how many of you are hypocrites, following only the passages that are relevant to you and disregarding everything else.
Why is it that we have to suffer cause of you morons that have to step in everytime that someone doesn't follow your absolute laws? Not everyone is a Christian and not everyone follows the same ideals and beliefs.
Its a free world for most of us these days and a lot of people are becoming more open to new ideas yet we are constantly being dragged into the dark ages cause of what you think is 'wrong.
Plus really, if homosexuality is such a 'sin', then why did god even give us the mental capability to even have homosexual thoughts, huh? Tell me that.
All in all, keep your religious beliefs out of our politics, it's not welcome here.
@John. When your god does not exist for me, I don't let it govern my rights, any more than I would let someone's belief in unicorns and faeries to govern my rights. Understand that we are all atheists to some degree, I just go one god further than you do. You can quote biblical nonsense and say what you want, but don't expect to be taken seriously by someone who is fighting for equality that has nothing to do with your religious beliefs. If you want religion to affect public policy then I suggest living in a country such as Iraq and tell me about the quality of life there because of it.
God is the ultimate and sovereign judge for sin. Homosexuality is sin by His order; it is not decided by public opinion or deceived/false clergy.
Changing societies do not dictate God's standards. Sin is defined by God for us in the Bible. It is the source for what God says is holy and righteous or sin and abomination.
Hebrews 13:8 states that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever; he does not “go with the flow.”
Sexual sins were rampant in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (This is the origin of the word sodomy.) Despite warnings, they refused to repent. God destroyed those cities and it was recorded as a warning to all future generations. (Genesis 18:20-21, Genesis 19:4-5, 2 Peter 2:6) Some additional scriptures on homosexuality are found in:
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
The price paid for homosexuality and other fornications are told in:
* 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
* Jude 6-7
* Romans 1:18
In spite of the growing secular humanist trend to think "it's ok to be gay," it's not a righteous lifestyle. Most vocal Christians are not homophobic, but are trying to share Christ's love for homosexuals and trying to keep them from horrific judgment.
Is homosexuality a sin? Is there hope for forgiveness?
There absolutely is hope for homosexuals. God can cleanse and purify all persons from sin. As many scriptures as there are that address sin, there are more that speak of forgiveness and redemption. He is able to give deliverance to any who sincerely desire true freedom and salvation. Such is demonstrated in 1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV): "And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." This verse says “some of you were,” meaning they became past acts.
We are offered the empowering Spirit of God to help us turn from our sins. Coming out of drug addiction, homosexuality, pornography, or other sin isn't always easy but God will provide the way. Christians are to "love" into the kingdom, those who desire repentance and to live by His natural plan.
Jesus Christ died on the cross for all of our sins and rose again the third day. He desires that we repent and be forgiven of our sins by coming into a personal relationship with Him.
God is the ultimate and sovereign judge for sin. Homosexuality is sin by His order; it is not decided by public opinion or deceived/false clergy.
Changing societies do not dictate God's standards. Sin is defined by God for us in the Bible. It is the source for what God says is holy and righteous or sin and abomination.
Hebrews 13:8 states that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever; he does not “go with the flow.”
Sexual sins were rampant in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (This is the origin of the word sodomy.) Despite warnings, they refused to repent. God destroyed those cities and it was recorded as a warning to all future generations. (Genesis 18:20-21, Genesis 19:4-5, 2 Peter 2:6) Some additional scriptures on homosexuality are found in:
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:26-27
All this result shows is that homosexual people are more religious nutty and ignorant of what Marriage actually is then even the 50% of the Hetrosexualisexual population ,that is divorced .
Sorry ,monogamous marriage is an unatural act in the true meaning of the word for any human ,the true sexual nature ,and backed up with real life is ,POLYGAMY.
See we are Animals called Homosapien and basically smart monkey's,well some of us can learn from the tradgic religious oppression of others,oh the bashings and rapes of women and children that is covered up by Marriage .
Every second of every minute of everyday everywhere !
Why do the defenders of 'Marriage Rites'hate women and children so much ,maybe because they have never met or discussed with Hetrosexual \Bisexual women much ???
Just saying???
Yes any human irrespective of sexual orientation that wants to extend and defend marriage hates women and children ,defends domestic violence continuing , as well as domestic sex and physical SLAVERY!
yes ,that word SLAVERY of one Human to another ,Gees ,pedophila isn't the only crime that the church defends.
Oh well what can be expected from 'Tribal based thinking'which belongs back millenia ago.
hey,its the 21st century AD ,not BC.
stoneage tribal Religious Rites are well a little outdated?!?
Don't you think ,oh thats right the religious minded bearly think primative think now don't they!
any Catholic that wants to get married well talk about it to the Nearest defender of pedophila in a church near you!
Stop trying to tie the rest of us sensible homosexual,bisexuals and hetrosexuals to the Church !
God and religious rites should be left at the church door on your way out.
I may or may not want to marry but I damn well want to DECIDE if I want to. No one has the right, govt or not to tell me I can't marry when I'm not a murderer, who by the way, can marry. Go figure that one out! And apparently I'm bad for society! I pay my taxes and work just like anyone else let me marry whomever I so choose. It's not like it's going to kill anyone!
The issue here is equality, I pay my taxes, give back to the community and I am human therefore should be treated equally!
And fact for those religious groups/followers who oppose same sex marriage, marriage is NOT just a religious ceremony in fact more people have civil ceremonies now than religious ones and they are still classed as married!!
We're not asking you to agree or change your mind we just want to be treated equal - marriage is an equal right not for heterosexuals!!
Marriage, and only marriage. I live in Lithuania, and know very good, how is to live without possibility to legalize same-sex relationship in the next one decade as minimum. Civil union is just pragmatic compromise, but not real equality.
Ho hum,why is the Homosexual community allowing itself to be tied to a religious Rite that is in full crisis and collapse in the General community?
I don't think its the Homosexual community as a whole its the LGBTIQC Identifiers,you know those wierdo's that think a 'Gay ,queer nation"is possible .
Lets get it straight and clear .
Marriage is a Religious Rite the chief form of Oppression of women and children ,the source of 'domestic violence'and an institution belonging to primative Tribal times .
Marriage is not and never will be a 'democratic right'in fact as the churches have always been opposed to democracy ,Marriage is REACTIONARY BACKWARD GOD FAITH THUNKUN CRAP.
Oh I can't wait for the trauma suicides and general human misery of 'Gay\Lesbian "Divorce.
oh did they tell you that Marriage is also a PROPERTY CONTRACT?
Newsflash in Hetrosexual Marriage the Woman is considered chatel,Property,ownership of 1 human by another is called SLAVEY ,SLAVERY has many forms including domestic variety called MARRIAGE.
so now knowing the truth are we still prepared to be lead around by the Provocative backward mined Religious nutty 'Gay|Lesbian"coalition of crap.Hey Catholic Homosexuals are just as reactionary vicious and stupid as the other varieties.
Your sexual orientation dosen't make someone a nice person.I fact its irrelevent to personality.
So if the ALP Lesbian\Gay Catholic Community would please stop opening the rest of us up to attack by religious Biggots over a Backward religious RITE,we my be able to repair the damage already done ,if they remain with their right wing ALP Politics and catholic crap ,oh I am special inj gods eyes crap then we can get on with our lives.
DOWN WITHY ALL RELIGIOUS BACKWARD PRIMATIVE THINKING
PS.GOD DOSEN"T EXIST MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE,science says.
Marriage is between a man and a woman, full stop. Anything else is making a mockery of something that is special and God ordained. We are heading down the slippery slope of moral decay, Homosexuality is an abomination to God.
Did you see the European Court of Human Rights ruled that gay marriage is NOT a right?
Here is their press release
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/portal.asp?sessionId=90932731&skin=hudoc-pr-en&action=request
i'm a dual citizen
my fiancé and i marry in NYC this july
so what...
we're married in the States
but civil unioned in Australia?
i didnt ask him to civil union me, i asked him to marry me!
The name matters, otherwise why do some right wingers oppose gay marriage so much but accept civil union? One purpose to refuse the name marriage is to discriminate, ie gay relationship is somewhat different from straight relationship hence should have a different name. Also, after you "civil unionise" your partner, can you use the term husband/wife to refer to your partner when he/she is not by law. Even if you use the term anyway, deep inside you know he/she really is not. Even if you don't care, what about those who care? Can't you see civil union is so different from full equality?
I prefer equality - call it what you will (preferably not Marriage, but whatever).
If one person has a right in Australia then all people in Australia should share the same right. That's Human rights! Regardless of whether a person agrees with marriage for themselves or not they should be entitled to it. If the church argues that homosexuality is against it's teachings and therefore they have the right not to marry homosexuals than they should not marry and person who does not attend that church on a regular basis or any person who is not a believer in what the church stands for. It's called selective discrimination.
we all deserve the right to marry who we love, its a right not a privilege. it will happen but the question is when? i hope the law does change so i can get married one day and have a family of my own.
gay,straight,black,white marriage is a civil right....
Pretty conclusive result. It reflects the general opinion too.
It is not about what it is called it is about what it means!