I'm not middle eastern,however, my husband and I LOVE raw kibbeh. If our municipal government is going to ban it to "protect" our health/health care system, then it is absurd to allow the sale of cigarettes, fast food, alcohol, grocery items with known carcinogenics (nitrates, phosphates) or even one step further, not enforcing harmful emissions on construction sites. The list goes on. I will personal bother my municipality everytime I see an infraction if you want to infringe on my liberties.
Having said that, I must comment on the people who ran down Darling calling her the c word, the b word and other obscenities. Regardless of your level of education, you sound like UNeducated, hot headed, ghetto scrub with anger issues. Take a deep breath before you post and degrade your nationality.
nmaggio - 12 years ago
I'm not middle eastern,however, my husband and I LOVE raw kibbeh. If our municipal government is going to ban it to "protect" our health/health care system, then it is absurd to allow the sale of cigarettes, fast food, alcohol, grocery items with known carcinogenics (nitrates, phosphates) or even one step further, not enforcing harmful emissions on construction sites. The list goes on. I will personal bother my municipality everytime I see an infraction if you want to infringe on my liberties.
Having said that, I must comment on the people who ran down Darling calling her the c word, the b word and other obscenities. Regardless of your level of education, you sound like UNeducated, hot headed, ghetto scrub with anger issues. Take a deep breath before you post and degrade your nationality.
APROUDCANADIAN - 12 years ago
Kudos to you Ahmad, you said it perfectly. Darlene.... You racist twat. Just because you can only trace your roots as far back as whatever bar room floor your passed out naked mother was found on, please don't feel the need to bash the people that pay for your mothers, brothers, niece's and boyfriend's welfare checks. Immigrants don't come to this country to go on welfare, they come here and toil away at jobs that "Canadians" think they're too good for. My parents families laned in this country in the early 60's. And everyone of us went on to either start a business or graduate with a degree. So, Darlene before you ever bash us "immigrants" again, I want you to think of all the people in your own family from the last 30-40 years and count how many drop-outs and welfare cases you have there.
Chris - 12 years ago
Hey Darlene, the most I can really say to you is go to hell you wretched b***, I think Dick summed it up pretty well with you. I completely disagree with the ban, I agree with the most of the other posters, if you sell sushi you can't ban kibbeh. If there was one isolated case, then the resturant should be closed, not the option for that food. If you don't like it, don't eat it, it's that simple. I have gotten food poisoning from applebee's, maybe we should ban beef altogether, c'mon how ridiculous is that! I can't see any reason for this to be banned other then discrimination.
Bill - 12 years ago
Raw kebbeh has been consumed by middleastern people for over 500 years & No to 0.00000000001 % reported sick from it. So are you kidding me????
When healthy unit decide to ban "THE SUCHI" then it's acceptable to ban kebbeh. Both are raw meat.
Ahmad - 12 years ago
Dear Darlene,
first off lets address your obvious prejudice of the Middle-Eastern people. These people you speak of in your dehumanizing tone are Canadian citizens, much like you are, minus the hatred and bad attitude. They pay the same taxes any other Canadian does, so your argument about them taking advantage of health benefits that they did not pay for, flawed. No one is taking over Canada, did you notice how I referred to it as Canada and not "your country"? That's because you Ma'am, are a poor representation of Canada and Canadian values. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for making a ridiculous claim about yourself being any more Canadian than they are. Now that we've addressed your personal issues, lets address the main issue you bring up. Is Kibbeh bad for your health? And the answer is no, assuming certain conditions are met. In order to eat raw meat it must be fresh, and by fresh I mean within a day of its production. E.Coli and similar diseases occur when raw meat is left unrefrigerated for longer durations. Our bodies are perfectly capable of digesting fresh, raw meat. Now to reiterate my previous point that this is quite obviously brought forward through pure hatred. Perhaps you could have picked a fight against fast food, did you know more deaths occur each year as a result of excessive fast food consumption than there are people in Lebanon? I bet you did, however you chose to seek a ban against a dish thats been enjoyed for centuries by many people, with little to no health issues reported. Did you know soft carbonated drinks, or "pop" are the number one cause of diabetes in the world? I bet you knew that too. What I am getting at is this, there is a reason you singled out a Middle-Eastern dish, and lets just say that reason has nothing to do with health concerns.
Sincerely,
The 22 year old, College educated, tax paying, Middle-Eastern, Canadian citizen
Dick - 12 years ago
Hey Darlene how about a cockmeat sandwich ccuunntttt
Johnny - 12 years ago
Simply ridiculous! Millions of Lebanese (and its food fans) have eaten kibbee for years, and now, but for a single incident, it's a health concern?????
shantelle - 12 years ago
If they want to eat it let them ...as for me i would never way raw meat..but they know the risks when ordering have them sign a "no suing if something should happen to them (ie sick.death etc) when they order it
layla - 12 years ago
I'm lebanese and I think ban the kibbe is a bad decision cuz it's our traditional lebanese whether u like it or not and I would like to tell darlene we r lebanese and we live and work in canada pay tax like anybody else and proud to carry our tradition to canada or anywhere in the world I think our food is not a fast food so we would like to keep the kibbe in the menu
layla - 12 years ago
I'm lebanese and I think ban the kibbe is a bad decision cuz it's our traditional lebanese whether u like it or not and I would like to tell darlene we r lebanese and we live and work in canada pay tax like anybody else and proud to carry our tradition to canada or anywhere in the world I think our food is not a fast food so we would like to keep the kibbe in the menu
Does it really matter - 12 years ago
I agree with the ban not cuz of any national , religious or what ever u ppl are posting about ,but because I just think its very nasty to eat raw meat, but I have never tried soo I can't really say anything else as about this food, but one thing I can say is ppl at The Keg order bloody and I mean bloody steaks and that ok ?
Sadie - 12 years ago
Notice how pictured in 2 photos is the same plate of raw cow, one is basting in the hot sun where the salmonella and e.coli are just lovin' it, and the other one is being fought over by 3 women. Mmmmmm ...
Darlene - 12 years ago
Wake up people! This is Canada! Not Iraq, Lebanon, or anywhere close to the Middle East! It is bad enough they are already taking over our Country, getting our free HealthCare even though they have never paid into it, while they continue to have more and more kids. Yes, the ban on that disgusting food is a GOOD thing! If they want to eat raw ground up meat, by all means, move back to where you came from and enjoy it there! Hmmm I wonder if I went to Lebanon, I`d be able to order a giant pulled pork sandwich??!..
Nobel - 12 years ago
What about Sushi? What about the Japanese raw beef liver ?What about junk food advertising?What about fast food and sugary breakfast cereals to children? I don't like the government telling us what we can and cannot eat. The health unit is crossing the line rather than DOING its job by putting more efforts to check the quality of food at the restaurants!
Mike - 12 years ago
This isn't about banning a particular dish it's a Canadian health regulation you can't serve ground meat under 165 degrees Fahrenheit. No culture should be givin special treatment.
Theresa - 12 years ago
No it shouldn't be banned the people who are eating it understand the risk. The government already controls enough!
If you don't approve or like it... here's a thought DON'T EAT IT.
Christine - 12 years ago
I understand the need for 'free-choice' in regard to food choices, however the idea of eating raw ground beef has always disturbed me somewhat. I am a person who likes her steaks 'rare', but the chance of me encoutering E. coli 0157:H7 from a rare steak are slim and none, compared to the chances of finding it in raw ground beef.
The differece here is in the way the meat is processed. A steak is a whole piece of meat....if there will be any pathogens on the meat, they will exist on the outer surface only. Cooking or searing the outside of the steak is sufficient to remove or kill any pathogens that exist on its surface. Ground beef is what it is.....beef is ground up together, and any pathogenic bacteria will be dispursed throughout it. The only way to ensure that those pathogens aren't a health concern is to thoroughly cook the meat.
Food safety is now more than ever a HUGE concern for the public. It is because of the tragic consequences of the Maple Leaf Foods listeria outbreak and things like the Walkerton water tragedy that our government has to step up and surveille our food safety programs.
If you are serving to food to the public, you have to take steps to make sure it's safe.
Jeff - 12 years ago
If we didn't have public health care than I would oppose this ban. However since my tax dollars are supporting health care than the fact that the government is doing its due diligence on what stupid humans can and can not do to keep cost down is ok by me.
chuck burke - 12 years ago
I am neither Lebanese nor have I ever eaten this dish. However it goes along with 'big brother' banning plastic bags, food, vending machines in school, water bottles etc. If grown adults want to eat anything thats there business. What right does any municipal agency have to now tell us what we can eat or not. I doubt that anyone who orders this doesn't know what it is.
The fact we have so many cultures in canada and Windsor is great for the rest of us regarding choice of ethnic dishes. What next go through the local Chinese or Indian menu and start banning. Are we now limited to a menu that some obscure health inspector approves.
This is another way to lose jobs and customers that travel to Windsor for an evening out with there favorite dish = failing that they just head across the border and there goes three or four restaurants from Windsor and another hundred mouths on the bread line.
lindsay - 12 years ago
Ban fast food!
Erin Turner - 12 years ago
I think the ban is a bad decision because kibbeh is a traditional dish for this culture. By going to an ethnic restaurant you know that the food may be different from what we are all used to. As for the kibbeh listed on the menu, I can be sure there is a description saying what kibbeh is. That's when the customer can make their own decision to go ahead and order it or not. We all know that raw meat poses as a risk. As long as everyone is aware of what kibbeh is and what is in it, it shouldn't be banned.
Heidi - 12 years ago
MSG, Sodium, cholesterol...those can all cause damaging effects to our bodies yet we decide for ourselves if we want to eat it we will. Kibbeh is traditionally a lebanese dish.If they ant to eat it, let them. Any food had potential to become spoiled and harm people who eat it. Maple leaf food accidently sold food containing listeria causing listeriosis and killing a few people and they didnt get banned from selling raw meat...so why cant a restaurant sell a cultural dish ? i disagree with the ban but maybe an eat at own risk you could get sick warning would be good.
I'm not middle eastern,however, my husband and I LOVE raw kibbeh. If our municipal government is going to ban it to "protect" our health/health care system, then it is absurd to allow the sale of cigarettes, fast food, alcohol, grocery items with known carcinogenics (nitrates, phosphates) or even one step further, not enforcing harmful emissions on construction sites. The list goes on. I will personal bother my municipality everytime I see an infraction if you want to infringe on my liberties.
Having said that, I must comment on the people who ran down Darling calling her the c word, the b word and other obscenities. Regardless of your level of education, you sound like UNeducated, hot headed, ghetto scrub with anger issues. Take a deep breath before you post and degrade your nationality.
I'm not middle eastern,however, my husband and I LOVE raw kibbeh. If our municipal government is going to ban it to "protect" our health/health care system, then it is absurd to allow the sale of cigarettes, fast food, alcohol, grocery items with known carcinogenics (nitrates, phosphates) or even one step further, not enforcing harmful emissions on construction sites. The list goes on. I will personal bother my municipality everytime I see an infraction if you want to infringe on my liberties.
Having said that, I must comment on the people who ran down Darling calling her the c word, the b word and other obscenities. Regardless of your level of education, you sound like UNeducated, hot headed, ghetto scrub with anger issues. Take a deep breath before you post and degrade your nationality.
Kudos to you Ahmad, you said it perfectly. Darlene.... You racist twat. Just because you can only trace your roots as far back as whatever bar room floor your passed out naked mother was found on, please don't feel the need to bash the people that pay for your mothers, brothers, niece's and boyfriend's welfare checks. Immigrants don't come to this country to go on welfare, they come here and toil away at jobs that "Canadians" think they're too good for. My parents families laned in this country in the early 60's. And everyone of us went on to either start a business or graduate with a degree. So, Darlene before you ever bash us "immigrants" again, I want you to think of all the people in your own family from the last 30-40 years and count how many drop-outs and welfare cases you have there.
Hey Darlene, the most I can really say to you is go to hell you wretched b***, I think Dick summed it up pretty well with you. I completely disagree with the ban, I agree with the most of the other posters, if you sell sushi you can't ban kibbeh. If there was one isolated case, then the resturant should be closed, not the option for that food. If you don't like it, don't eat it, it's that simple. I have gotten food poisoning from applebee's, maybe we should ban beef altogether, c'mon how ridiculous is that! I can't see any reason for this to be banned other then discrimination.
Raw kebbeh has been consumed by middleastern people for over 500 years & No to 0.00000000001 % reported sick from it. So are you kidding me????
When healthy unit decide to ban "THE SUCHI" then it's acceptable to ban kebbeh. Both are raw meat.
Dear Darlene,
first off lets address your obvious prejudice of the Middle-Eastern people. These people you speak of in your dehumanizing tone are Canadian citizens, much like you are, minus the hatred and bad attitude. They pay the same taxes any other Canadian does, so your argument about them taking advantage of health benefits that they did not pay for, flawed. No one is taking over Canada, did you notice how I referred to it as Canada and not "your country"? That's because you Ma'am, are a poor representation of Canada and Canadian values. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for making a ridiculous claim about yourself being any more Canadian than they are. Now that we've addressed your personal issues, lets address the main issue you bring up. Is Kibbeh bad for your health? And the answer is no, assuming certain conditions are met. In order to eat raw meat it must be fresh, and by fresh I mean within a day of its production. E.Coli and similar diseases occur when raw meat is left unrefrigerated for longer durations. Our bodies are perfectly capable of digesting fresh, raw meat. Now to reiterate my previous point that this is quite obviously brought forward through pure hatred. Perhaps you could have picked a fight against fast food, did you know more deaths occur each year as a result of excessive fast food consumption than there are people in Lebanon? I bet you did, however you chose to seek a ban against a dish thats been enjoyed for centuries by many people, with little to no health issues reported. Did you know soft carbonated drinks, or "pop" are the number one cause of diabetes in the world? I bet you knew that too. What I am getting at is this, there is a reason you singled out a Middle-Eastern dish, and lets just say that reason has nothing to do with health concerns.
Sincerely,
The 22 year old, College educated, tax paying, Middle-Eastern, Canadian citizen
Hey Darlene how about a cockmeat sandwich ccuunntttt
Simply ridiculous! Millions of Lebanese (and its food fans) have eaten kibbee for years, and now, but for a single incident, it's a health concern?????
If they want to eat it let them ...as for me i would never way raw meat..but they know the risks when ordering have them sign a "no suing if something should happen to them (ie sick.death etc) when they order it
I'm lebanese and I think ban the kibbe is a bad decision cuz it's our traditional lebanese whether u like it or not and I would like to tell darlene we r lebanese and we live and work in canada pay tax like anybody else and proud to carry our tradition to canada or anywhere in the world I think our food is not a fast food so we would like to keep the kibbe in the menu
I'm lebanese and I think ban the kibbe is a bad decision cuz it's our traditional lebanese whether u like it or not and I would like to tell darlene we r lebanese and we live and work in canada pay tax like anybody else and proud to carry our tradition to canada or anywhere in the world I think our food is not a fast food so we would like to keep the kibbe in the menu
I agree with the ban not cuz of any national , religious or what ever u ppl are posting about ,but because I just think its very nasty to eat raw meat, but I have never tried soo I can't really say anything else as about this food, but one thing I can say is ppl at The Keg order bloody and I mean bloody steaks and that ok ?
Notice how pictured in 2 photos is the same plate of raw cow, one is basting in the hot sun where the salmonella and e.coli are just lovin' it, and the other one is being fought over by 3 women. Mmmmmm ...
Wake up people! This is Canada! Not Iraq, Lebanon, or anywhere close to the Middle East! It is bad enough they are already taking over our Country, getting our free HealthCare even though they have never paid into it, while they continue to have more and more kids. Yes, the ban on that disgusting food is a GOOD thing! If they want to eat raw ground up meat, by all means, move back to where you came from and enjoy it there! Hmmm I wonder if I went to Lebanon, I`d be able to order a giant pulled pork sandwich??!..
What about Sushi? What about the Japanese raw beef liver ?What about junk food advertising?What about fast food and sugary breakfast cereals to children? I don't like the government telling us what we can and cannot eat. The health unit is crossing the line rather than DOING its job by putting more efforts to check the quality of food at the restaurants!
This isn't about banning a particular dish it's a Canadian health regulation you can't serve ground meat under 165 degrees Fahrenheit. No culture should be givin special treatment.
No it shouldn't be banned the people who are eating it understand the risk. The government already controls enough!
If you don't approve or like it... here's a thought DON'T EAT IT.
I understand the need for 'free-choice' in regard to food choices, however the idea of eating raw ground beef has always disturbed me somewhat. I am a person who likes her steaks 'rare', but the chance of me encoutering E. coli 0157:H7 from a rare steak are slim and none, compared to the chances of finding it in raw ground beef.
The differece here is in the way the meat is processed. A steak is a whole piece of meat....if there will be any pathogens on the meat, they will exist on the outer surface only. Cooking or searing the outside of the steak is sufficient to remove or kill any pathogens that exist on its surface. Ground beef is what it is.....beef is ground up together, and any pathogenic bacteria will be dispursed throughout it. The only way to ensure that those pathogens aren't a health concern is to thoroughly cook the meat.
Food safety is now more than ever a HUGE concern for the public. It is because of the tragic consequences of the Maple Leaf Foods listeria outbreak and things like the Walkerton water tragedy that our government has to step up and surveille our food safety programs.
If you are serving to food to the public, you have to take steps to make sure it's safe.
If we didn't have public health care than I would oppose this ban. However since my tax dollars are supporting health care than the fact that the government is doing its due diligence on what stupid humans can and can not do to keep cost down is ok by me.
I am neither Lebanese nor have I ever eaten this dish. However it goes along with 'big brother' banning plastic bags, food, vending machines in school, water bottles etc. If grown adults want to eat anything thats there business. What right does any municipal agency have to now tell us what we can eat or not. I doubt that anyone who orders this doesn't know what it is.
The fact we have so many cultures in canada and Windsor is great for the rest of us regarding choice of ethnic dishes. What next go through the local Chinese or Indian menu and start banning. Are we now limited to a menu that some obscure health inspector approves.
This is another way to lose jobs and customers that travel to Windsor for an evening out with there favorite dish = failing that they just head across the border and there goes three or four restaurants from Windsor and another hundred mouths on the bread line.
Ban fast food!
I think the ban is a bad decision because kibbeh is a traditional dish for this culture. By going to an ethnic restaurant you know that the food may be different from what we are all used to. As for the kibbeh listed on the menu, I can be sure there is a description saying what kibbeh is. That's when the customer can make their own decision to go ahead and order it or not. We all know that raw meat poses as a risk. As long as everyone is aware of what kibbeh is and what is in it, it shouldn't be banned.
MSG, Sodium, cholesterol...those can all cause damaging effects to our bodies yet we decide for ourselves if we want to eat it we will. Kibbeh is traditionally a lebanese dish.If they ant to eat it, let them. Any food had potential to become spoiled and harm people who eat it. Maple leaf food accidently sold food containing listeria causing listeriosis and killing a few people and they didnt get banned from selling raw meat...so why cant a restaurant sell a cultural dish ? i disagree with the ban but maybe an eat at own risk you could get sick warning would be good.