So basically us independent guys who get paid percentage and oversized are going to get screwed the worst. Most indy owners aren't going to be able to slide your pay up and down based off of what you are hauling because of the nightmare it will cause with bookkeeping. The govt needs to stay the FUCK out of everyone's BUSINESS! Micromanaging every aspect of someones INDEPENDENT business makes them a puppet of the govt and no longer INDEPENDENT....
Morris callins - 9 years ago
I'm a long time driver now on e logs it's just like punching a time clock so yes if your on this e logs you should get an hourly pay plus overtime I use almost all of my 14 and only get about 8 of drive time and I feel 22.50 should be a start out pay
Kelly B - 9 years ago
I Think that's the Best Idea YET!! there's Times I Drove for the Big Transportation's Company's and they Held Back My Pay!! I could not even buy A .99ct. Fountain Drink... and we don't get the respect Hauling there Load's across the Damn Country..my last Driving Job. was great!! I was paid by the Hour. $ 20.00 hr. It's time we get our Doe.... $$$$$$$$$
Jerry - 9 years ago
Go to hourly pay and see how fast shippers/receivers and trucking companies take to get more organized. If it costs them $ they will work on planning better.
Michael evans - 9 years ago
I think if they put us on hourly pay. They will lower our pay. As I get paused by the mile plus by the hr when I'm not driving. I just believe the trucking company will pick the lowest hourly pay that they can get away with.
Chester Brown - 9 years ago
What about independents? I guess they're going to regulate us out of business along with the small carriers. Enough is enough. It's time the drivers stand up and and defend themselves from all of this mess. There's is absolutely no proof that E-logs or the current hours of service had decreased accidents. There's proof that nothing's changed. People are going to wreck whether they drive cars or trucks.
Pay by the hour will only work if they make it salaried with overtime. Fire instance, company driver starts at $45,000 based on a 40 hour week. Any work over 40 computed at time and half. An independent would have to be paid a minimum of $4500/week for a five day period figuring on a 10 hour work day. Weekends would pay $1500/day. That's what would need to happen in reality if they are going to try it. I doubt very seriously that this scenario will happen.
John Power - 9 years ago
So agree that it is time drivers stop subsidizing the industry and get paid for what they work! How many times have you heard your truck averages 60 miles an hour we pay 40 cents per mile which equals $24 an hour? When in reality with all things considered its 11 to 13 dollars an hour with all the freebies! Traffic, washouts, wait to load, wait to unload. Time to step up to the plate people and understand there is a risk factor in doing business and like other business people you can't stick it on the employee!
Randy - 9 years ago
I agree that the driver shortage will only get worse in the coming years. I have a good regional job with a fortune 500 company. Above average pay great benefits. However, many of my Co workers are leaving for other jobs sure to the lack of pay increase over the years. We work 70 hours EVERY week even though we are away from home three nights a week due to HOS rules. We are forced to wait for back hauls with no compensation. Bottom line is simple, we are on the job an average of 130 hours a week which comes out to $12 per hour. I am afraid if something isn't done soon to help attract and keep good quality drivers. The industry will suffer and thus the country will suffer. How long will America last when we can't get our goods from the local retailer?
Bob Lorek - 9 years ago
I have used correct working hours (not logged hours, lol ) and have frequently averaged less than minimum pay while making a good buck. But is it really worth working 70-80 hours to make maybe $1,200? Very rarely do things go as planned with shippers and receivers, especially in the refrigerated division. Of course they blame workers not showing up, a union meeting delaying working on your trailer or that funky smell of ammonia in the air. Even 60 hours a week and a true pay of $1,200 doesn't take into consideration saving the idiot 4 wheelers life as it cuts you off. How can good drivers actually make a decent living?
Tundrabeast - 9 years ago
I've been driving for 23 years and I've always had a problem with all the required things we do that we never get paid for. Such as paper work. Some loads are simple, then again some loads you have so much you have to put in order and then send off that it takes up to a half hour or more after getting all the papers in order and record them. Fuelling, washouts and washing in general, and then the business of unloading in the morning and not reloading until later in the day. All that is on our Off Duty time basically even though we're still right there doing it. With elogs they know when our logs start and end so they can't accuse us of trying to cheat hours either. Hourly pay....Bring it on....
CG - 9 years ago
The starting "Driver" hourly wage for class "B" drivers in the US should at least be $20.00/hr. For all hours worked, plus overtime for all hours worked beyond 40 in a one week period. Whether local, dedicated, regional or over the road.
The starting "Driver" hourly wage for class "A" drivers in the US should at lease be $25.00/hr. For all hours worked, plus overtime for all hours worked beyond 40 in a one week period. Whether local, dedicated, regional or over the road.
The driver shortage would end very fast if this was implemented. The carrier would to pass this increase to the shipper, the shipper would raise the shipping/transportation fees to the customer, the customer would increase the price of his product to compensate, and the consumer would end up paying more for the product at the retail level. The consumer always ends up paying for the whole thing. The price of goods goes up all the time, due to tax increases and simple greed, but wages go up very slowly.
So basically us independent guys who get paid percentage and oversized are going to get screwed the worst. Most indy owners aren't going to be able to slide your pay up and down based off of what you are hauling because of the nightmare it will cause with bookkeeping. The govt needs to stay the FUCK out of everyone's BUSINESS! Micromanaging every aspect of someones INDEPENDENT business makes them a puppet of the govt and no longer INDEPENDENT....
I'm a long time driver now on e logs it's just like punching a time clock so yes if your on this e logs you should get an hourly pay plus overtime I use almost all of my 14 and only get about 8 of drive time and I feel 22.50 should be a start out pay
I Think that's the Best Idea YET!! there's Times I Drove for the Big Transportation's Company's and they Held Back My Pay!! I could not even buy A .99ct. Fountain Drink... and we don't get the respect Hauling there Load's across the Damn Country..my last Driving Job. was great!! I was paid by the Hour. $ 20.00 hr. It's time we get our Doe.... $$$$$$$$$
Go to hourly pay and see how fast shippers/receivers and trucking companies take to get more organized. If it costs them $ they will work on planning better.
I think if they put us on hourly pay. They will lower our pay. As I get paused by the mile plus by the hr when I'm not driving. I just believe the trucking company will pick the lowest hourly pay that they can get away with.
What about independents? I guess they're going to regulate us out of business along with the small carriers. Enough is enough. It's time the drivers stand up and and defend themselves from all of this mess. There's is absolutely no proof that E-logs or the current hours of service had decreased accidents. There's proof that nothing's changed. People are going to wreck whether they drive cars or trucks.
Pay by the hour will only work if they make it salaried with overtime. Fire instance, company driver starts at $45,000 based on a 40 hour week. Any work over 40 computed at time and half. An independent would have to be paid a minimum of $4500/week for a five day period figuring on a 10 hour work day. Weekends would pay $1500/day. That's what would need to happen in reality if they are going to try it. I doubt very seriously that this scenario will happen.
So agree that it is time drivers stop subsidizing the industry and get paid for what they work! How many times have you heard your truck averages 60 miles an hour we pay 40 cents per mile which equals $24 an hour? When in reality with all things considered its 11 to 13 dollars an hour with all the freebies! Traffic, washouts, wait to load, wait to unload. Time to step up to the plate people and understand there is a risk factor in doing business and like other business people you can't stick it on the employee!
I agree that the driver shortage will only get worse in the coming years. I have a good regional job with a fortune 500 company. Above average pay great benefits. However, many of my Co workers are leaving for other jobs sure to the lack of pay increase over the years. We work 70 hours EVERY week even though we are away from home three nights a week due to HOS rules. We are forced to wait for back hauls with no compensation. Bottom line is simple, we are on the job an average of 130 hours a week which comes out to $12 per hour. I am afraid if something isn't done soon to help attract and keep good quality drivers. The industry will suffer and thus the country will suffer. How long will America last when we can't get our goods from the local retailer?
I have used correct working hours (not logged hours, lol ) and have frequently averaged less than minimum pay while making a good buck. But is it really worth working 70-80 hours to make maybe $1,200? Very rarely do things go as planned with shippers and receivers, especially in the refrigerated division. Of course they blame workers not showing up, a union meeting delaying working on your trailer or that funky smell of ammonia in the air. Even 60 hours a week and a true pay of $1,200 doesn't take into consideration saving the idiot 4 wheelers life as it cuts you off. How can good drivers actually make a decent living?
I've been driving for 23 years and I've always had a problem with all the required things we do that we never get paid for. Such as paper work. Some loads are simple, then again some loads you have so much you have to put in order and then send off that it takes up to a half hour or more after getting all the papers in order and record them. Fuelling, washouts and washing in general, and then the business of unloading in the morning and not reloading until later in the day. All that is on our Off Duty time basically even though we're still right there doing it. With elogs they know when our logs start and end so they can't accuse us of trying to cheat hours either. Hourly pay....Bring it on....
The starting "Driver" hourly wage for class "B" drivers in the US should at least be $20.00/hr. For all hours worked, plus overtime for all hours worked beyond 40 in a one week period. Whether local, dedicated, regional or over the road.
The starting "Driver" hourly wage for class "A" drivers in the US should at lease be $25.00/hr. For all hours worked, plus overtime for all hours worked beyond 40 in a one week period. Whether local, dedicated, regional or over the road.
The driver shortage would end very fast if this was implemented. The carrier would to pass this increase to the shipper, the shipper would raise the shipping/transportation fees to the customer, the customer would increase the price of his product to compensate, and the consumer would end up paying more for the product at the retail level. The consumer always ends up paying for the whole thing. The price of goods goes up all the time, due to tax increases and simple greed, but wages go up very slowly.
How much money per hour will it be?