Diversity and collaborations help make fan productions all the more fabulous. 8^)
BlueDragonAura - 8 years ago
In general, there's quite a bit of universe building in MLP. Most of the really important stuff takes place in the episodes, but they don't have enough time or resources to cover every little detail. That's where the fan musicians and writers and artists come in. Naturally, there's a bit of a stylistic difference: fandom characters are written to appeal to a slightly different audience than those of the original show, and that's not a bad thing. Specifically, the "Shippers's Mane 6" emphasized different styles of relationships not present in the show (and some folks took those relationships to levels not present in the show). It lends itself to a more diverse universe. Hasbro pulling them in means two things for me: fandom fleshed out characters get more recognition, and that diversity of relationship gets pulled into the show, but in the process we lose some control over them. Can't really argue with the canon. Also, keep in mind writers can't refer to fan fiction and episodes are written a year or more in advance, so writers couldn't keep up with fandom trends even if they wanted to. We move too fast.
tl;dr Fan references can be good in moderation, any more and it's terrible (except Ep. 100).
No - 8 years ago
There is no pleasing you is there? A generation about complaining about nothing.
don - 8 years ago
Like the Daring Do & RD episode of last week, A lot of quibbling .
Some people never learn....Just like our little pony heros
O.o(\....................O.O,,,
I enjoy it all, the first middle & last to come.
Have fun with it,
A Person - 8 years ago
@Jeffrey Wells: I know your question wasn't directed at me, but I'll respond anyway.
To me there seems to be a lot of hostility towards anyone who doesn't share the popular opinions of the fandom, so I normally keep my feelings to myself. I've been told to leave at least once that I can remember.
If you don't praise the newer episodes without question it's like you're lumped in with the kinds of people who make death threats and harass the show staff, or you get dismissed as a hater. If you dare to say you preferred the earlier seasons then you're a Faust purist or "one of THOSE fans", etc. Now even the show itself is making jabs with the Quibble Pants character, after years of being made to feel like an outsider it's hard not to take that almost as an attack rather than just poking fun.
Sugar Loop - 8 years ago
I like it, but sometimes it's too much. Like Twilight trying to have Starlight be friends with DJ Pon3 - it was jarring to see her, and would have been made better with a background pony or a pony not as famous. Plus, I feel like they're really pushing Derpy lately. What happened to hiding her in the background for fans to find?
Jeffrey Wells - 8 years ago
JAP: Has anyone actually tried to oppress you for your feelings? Or is it merely that you feel like you want to be "one of the gang" and are distressed by being different than what you perceive the norm to be? I would invite you to not self-identify as an outsider—you're a fan just as much as anyone, and a diversity of viewpoints strengthens a community.
Counterpoint, though: it is possible to care about the story/character interactions AND be excited by background references. :)
Just Another Person - 8 years ago
I have to agree with you on this one, A Person :P
I am also rather distressed about the direction the fandom has taken with quite a few other topics, but there isn't anything we can do about it except leave. You just can't go against a hundred other people, they will stomp you and your opinion as if it never existed in the first place.
A Person - 8 years ago
I really can't stress enough how much I despise it.
It seems cheap and lazy, as if someone thinks sticking in a few fan shout-outs or forced memes will make everyone really exited, so not as much effort needs to be put into the rest of the episode because no-one will notice or care about anything else. They'd be absolutely right, because it seems to work every time, but for people like me who don't care about all the action and gimmicks, and liked being able to actually care about the story/character interactions, and feel some kind of emotional investment in the outcome - it really sucks to see the show heading more and more in this direction.
Jody - 8 years ago
I had to choose "other" because there wasn't an option stating something along the lines of "I think accusations of fan pandering are overblown and frequently reflect the mindset of the accuser." Misscellanio makes a good point.
Misscellanio - 8 years ago
A lot of the time the show doesn't do fan pandering but people perceive it to be. For example sometimes the show makers really like a character and want to bring them back and make them important not just hey look a familiar face back but people mistake that as fan pandering. For example, "No Second Prances." People thought omg trixie but really the showmakers just enjoy the f outta her
The little shout-outs they put into the episodes are always a pleasant surprise. 8^) Such as the mane six battling the panda bug bear, the literal ass-kissing or the Dash episode having a fandom dust-up over Daring Do with the purist pony. 8^D And the recurring Twilicane. X^D
Um...sometimes I think it's a bit annoying, but most of the time I haven't seen a whole lot of it and it's not too big of a bother.
Well stated Jeffrey Wells!
Diversity and collaborations help make fan productions all the more fabulous. 8^)
In general, there's quite a bit of universe building in MLP. Most of the really important stuff takes place in the episodes, but they don't have enough time or resources to cover every little detail. That's where the fan musicians and writers and artists come in. Naturally, there's a bit of a stylistic difference: fandom characters are written to appeal to a slightly different audience than those of the original show, and that's not a bad thing. Specifically, the "Shippers's Mane 6" emphasized different styles of relationships not present in the show (and some folks took those relationships to levels not present in the show). It lends itself to a more diverse universe. Hasbro pulling them in means two things for me: fandom fleshed out characters get more recognition, and that diversity of relationship gets pulled into the show, but in the process we lose some control over them. Can't really argue with the canon. Also, keep in mind writers can't refer to fan fiction and episodes are written a year or more in advance, so writers couldn't keep up with fandom trends even if they wanted to. We move too fast.
tl;dr Fan references can be good in moderation, any more and it's terrible (except Ep. 100).
There is no pleasing you is there? A generation about complaining about nothing.
Like the Daring Do & RD episode of last week, A lot of quibbling .
Some people never learn....Just like our little pony heros
O.o(\....................O.O,,,
I enjoy it all, the first middle & last to come.
Have fun with it,
@Jeffrey Wells: I know your question wasn't directed at me, but I'll respond anyway.
To me there seems to be a lot of hostility towards anyone who doesn't share the popular opinions of the fandom, so I normally keep my feelings to myself. I've been told to leave at least once that I can remember.
If you don't praise the newer episodes without question it's like you're lumped in with the kinds of people who make death threats and harass the show staff, or you get dismissed as a hater. If you dare to say you preferred the earlier seasons then you're a Faust purist or "one of THOSE fans", etc. Now even the show itself is making jabs with the Quibble Pants character, after years of being made to feel like an outsider it's hard not to take that almost as an attack rather than just poking fun.
I like it, but sometimes it's too much. Like Twilight trying to have Starlight be friends with DJ Pon3 - it was jarring to see her, and would have been made better with a background pony or a pony not as famous. Plus, I feel like they're really pushing Derpy lately. What happened to hiding her in the background for fans to find?
JAP: Has anyone actually tried to oppress you for your feelings? Or is it merely that you feel like you want to be "one of the gang" and are distressed by being different than what you perceive the norm to be? I would invite you to not self-identify as an outsider—you're a fan just as much as anyone, and a diversity of viewpoints strengthens a community.
Counterpoint, though: it is possible to care about the story/character interactions AND be excited by background references. :)
I have to agree with you on this one, A Person :P
I am also rather distressed about the direction the fandom has taken with quite a few other topics, but there isn't anything we can do about it except leave. You just can't go against a hundred other people, they will stomp you and your opinion as if it never existed in the first place.
I really can't stress enough how much I despise it.
It seems cheap and lazy, as if someone thinks sticking in a few fan shout-outs or forced memes will make everyone really exited, so not as much effort needs to be put into the rest of the episode because no-one will notice or care about anything else. They'd be absolutely right, because it seems to work every time, but for people like me who don't care about all the action and gimmicks, and liked being able to actually care about the story/character interactions, and feel some kind of emotional investment in the outcome - it really sucks to see the show heading more and more in this direction.
I had to choose "other" because there wasn't an option stating something along the lines of "I think accusations of fan pandering are overblown and frequently reflect the mindset of the accuser." Misscellanio makes a good point.
A lot of the time the show doesn't do fan pandering but people perceive it to be. For example sometimes the show makers really like a character and want to bring them back and make them important not just hey look a familiar face back but people mistake that as fan pandering. For example, "No Second Prances." People thought omg trixie but really the showmakers just enjoy the f outta her
The little shout-outs they put into the episodes are always a pleasant surprise. 8^) Such as the mane six battling the panda bug bear, the literal ass-kissing or the Dash episode having a fandom dust-up over Daring Do with the purist pony. 8^D And the recurring Twilicane. X^D