Texas Ranger fan here and the Brewers did well in acquiring Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL. Both are better prospects than Joey Gallo. I’ll take Brinson and Ortiz over the four Cle prospects and the PTBNL is a bonus. It’s about quality, not quantity.
I understand Lucroy is a fan favorite, but he’s a 30-year-old catcher. Unless he’s juicing, his prime years are close to being over in a few years. Plus, he will be a free agent after the 2017 season. Jeffress is a nice reliever, but I wouldn’t have traded Ortiz straight up for Jeffress.
I thought Milwaukee did well in getting Diplan and Knebel for Gallardo last year. I know Sardinas didn’t work out for the Brewers, but Diplan is a nice young arm who along with Ortiz should makeup two-fifths of your starting rotation. Brinson is a five-tool prospect. Knebel has the chance to be the future closer for the Brewers. Kudos to the Brewers GM!
I will add that the Rangers have a GM who is constantly looking for a quick fix and it hasn’t worked out since he became the GM, despite two World Series appearances. The strength of the Rangers is their amateur scouting department, although they have missed on some first round picks (Jon Daniels plays integral role in drafting first round players).
Just look to your division foe, the Cubs, to see some of the talent Daniels gave away in failed trades. Kyle Hendricks for a 38-year-old Ryan Dempster. Justin Grimm and Carl Edwards, Jr. for your very own Matt Garza. Pedro Strop (Now Cubs reliever) to the Orioles for a lefty reliever at the end of his career in Mike Gonzalez.
Here are some other pieces Daniels gave away for nothing to very little in return… The Nats got prospect Tanner Roark for Christian Guzman (utility infielder who literally quit on team during playoff race), Orioles received Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter for Uehara (Uehara did not want to come to Texas heat and then excelled once he signed as a free agent with Boston). Daniels placed Darren O’Day on waivers after returning from a major injury (he’s been one of the best relievers in the game with the O’s). Daniels did not protect Odubel Herrera on the 40-man roster after he led AA in batting average – One and a half years later, the kid was an All-Star for the Phillies as a Rule 5 selection. Kinsler for Fielder (Not only did he trade for a player with declining skills, but he is also responsible for the huge contract that came along with acquiring Fielder). He let Nelson Cruz and Mike Napoli (on 2 separate occasions) walk in free agency. The Phillies received an enormous load in Eickhoff, Thompson, Alfaro, Williams, and Asher as part of the Hamels/Diekman trade (Phillies will win this deal once these prospects arrive and within a few years all will reach their potential).
These are some of the more prominent transactions Daniels has made, but not the only poor trades and moves he has made. Based on a well-documented history of Daniels making absurd trades, the Brewers will be just fine with the acquisition of Brinson, Ortiz, and the PTBNL. Lucroy will always be a fan favorite so I’m sure it’s difficult seeing him go, but soon, you will be very pleased with the return. Stearns should continue making deals with Daniels. It’s the quickest way to improve your club.
Mike S - 8 years ago
After the weekend at the plate Lucroy enjoyed, my heart is even heavier. This was a bad trade, and I believe what happened is that an experienced Texas Ranger front office took advantage of a extremely inexperienced Milwaukee front office by pushing the trade to the deadline. That was no coincidence. The owner did not want to pay premium price for a premium player, and so here we are.
Frank Rast - 8 years ago
Stearns has elevated the Brewer's farm system from bottom 5 to top 5 in 2 years. Comparing him to Melvin is laughable. Time will tell to who's advantage any specific trade was made.
cavanaugh - 8 years ago
the inclusion of jeffress, muddies the original deal. If the brew receive another top 15, I will change my opinion. for the uninformed, Lucroy was not leaving after the next season- look at his contract. Brison is getting mixed. If he becomes your regular outfielder in 2 years, brew wins
Jim - 8 years ago
I don't think that they got enough. (One in the hand is worth two in the bush) I think we should needed to get four prospects in the deal.
Mark S - 8 years ago
Losing confidence in new GM. Operates too much like Melvin. Two lower-level minor leaguers for two quality veterans. Are you kidding?
PJ - 8 years ago
Lucroy had another year on his contract. He wasn't leaving after this season.
larrym32 - 8 years ago
Lucroy ok. Jeffress, hell no...leaves a team of minor leaguers and ped-boy.
Gary - 8 years ago
I think they got enough! Lucroy was leaving after this season anyway. He would have commanded a ridiculous salary if he stayed (but he made it clear he did not intend to). I believe Lucroy had a couple good stat years, and the Brewers got good young prospects for him. Look at Fielder....injuries got him again for Texas. We had Lucroy for his best production years...his stats will start to drop!
Gary - 8 years ago
I think they got enough! Lucroy was leaving after this season anyway. He would have commanded a ridiculous salary if he stayed (but he made it clear he did not intend to). I believe Lucroy had a couple good stat years, and the Brewers got good young prospects for him. Look at Fielder....injuries got him again for Texas. We had Lucroy for his best production years...his stats will start to drop!
Texas Ranger fan here and the Brewers did well in acquiring Brinson, Ortiz and a PTBNL. Both are better prospects than Joey Gallo. I’ll take Brinson and Ortiz over the four Cle prospects and the PTBNL is a bonus. It’s about quality, not quantity.
I understand Lucroy is a fan favorite, but he’s a 30-year-old catcher. Unless he’s juicing, his prime years are close to being over in a few years. Plus, he will be a free agent after the 2017 season. Jeffress is a nice reliever, but I wouldn’t have traded Ortiz straight up for Jeffress.
I thought Milwaukee did well in getting Diplan and Knebel for Gallardo last year. I know Sardinas didn’t work out for the Brewers, but Diplan is a nice young arm who along with Ortiz should makeup two-fifths of your starting rotation. Brinson is a five-tool prospect. Knebel has the chance to be the future closer for the Brewers. Kudos to the Brewers GM!
I will add that the Rangers have a GM who is constantly looking for a quick fix and it hasn’t worked out since he became the GM, despite two World Series appearances. The strength of the Rangers is their amateur scouting department, although they have missed on some first round picks (Jon Daniels plays integral role in drafting first round players).
Just look to your division foe, the Cubs, to see some of the talent Daniels gave away in failed trades. Kyle Hendricks for a 38-year-old Ryan Dempster. Justin Grimm and Carl Edwards, Jr. for your very own Matt Garza. Pedro Strop (Now Cubs reliever) to the Orioles for a lefty reliever at the end of his career in Mike Gonzalez.
Here are some other pieces Daniels gave away for nothing to very little in return… The Nats got prospect Tanner Roark for Christian Guzman (utility infielder who literally quit on team during playoff race), Orioles received Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter for Uehara (Uehara did not want to come to Texas heat and then excelled once he signed as a free agent with Boston). Daniels placed Darren O’Day on waivers after returning from a major injury (he’s been one of the best relievers in the game with the O’s). Daniels did not protect Odubel Herrera on the 40-man roster after he led AA in batting average – One and a half years later, the kid was an All-Star for the Phillies as a Rule 5 selection. Kinsler for Fielder (Not only did he trade for a player with declining skills, but he is also responsible for the huge contract that came along with acquiring Fielder). He let Nelson Cruz and Mike Napoli (on 2 separate occasions) walk in free agency. The Phillies received an enormous load in Eickhoff, Thompson, Alfaro, Williams, and Asher as part of the Hamels/Diekman trade (Phillies will win this deal once these prospects arrive and within a few years all will reach their potential).
These are some of the more prominent transactions Daniels has made, but not the only poor trades and moves he has made. Based on a well-documented history of Daniels making absurd trades, the Brewers will be just fine with the acquisition of Brinson, Ortiz, and the PTBNL. Lucroy will always be a fan favorite so I’m sure it’s difficult seeing him go, but soon, you will be very pleased with the return. Stearns should continue making deals with Daniels. It’s the quickest way to improve your club.
After the weekend at the plate Lucroy enjoyed, my heart is even heavier. This was a bad trade, and I believe what happened is that an experienced Texas Ranger front office took advantage of a extremely inexperienced Milwaukee front office by pushing the trade to the deadline. That was no coincidence. The owner did not want to pay premium price for a premium player, and so here we are.
Stearns has elevated the Brewer's farm system from bottom 5 to top 5 in 2 years. Comparing him to Melvin is laughable. Time will tell to who's advantage any specific trade was made.
the inclusion of jeffress, muddies the original deal. If the brew receive another top 15, I will change my opinion. for the uninformed, Lucroy was not leaving after the next season- look at his contract. Brison is getting mixed. If he becomes your regular outfielder in 2 years, brew wins
I don't think that they got enough. (One in the hand is worth two in the bush) I think we should needed to get four prospects in the deal.
Losing confidence in new GM. Operates too much like Melvin. Two lower-level minor leaguers for two quality veterans. Are you kidding?
Lucroy had another year on his contract. He wasn't leaving after this season.
Lucroy ok. Jeffress, hell no...leaves a team of minor leaguers and ped-boy.
I think they got enough! Lucroy was leaving after this season anyway. He would have commanded a ridiculous salary if he stayed (but he made it clear he did not intend to). I believe Lucroy had a couple good stat years, and the Brewers got good young prospects for him. Look at Fielder....injuries got him again for Texas. We had Lucroy for his best production years...his stats will start to drop!
I think they got enough! Lucroy was leaving after this season anyway. He would have commanded a ridiculous salary if he stayed (but he made it clear he did not intend to). I believe Lucroy had a couple good stat years, and the Brewers got good young prospects for him. Look at Fielder....injuries got him again for Texas. We had Lucroy for his best production years...his stats will start to drop!