Billy i have a question for you...Wouldn't an independent Scotland need to have joined the EU for us to then decide we wanted to then leave the EU?Also London don't make all decisions about what happens in Scotland,that is why we have a Scottish Parliament is it not?Politics is never a black or white subject to discuss thats for sure but i do agree we are all entitled to an opinion,whatever it may be.
Billy - 8 years ago
I cannot fathom the thinking of people who would rather have their lives and their choices decided by MP's in London over whom they have no control than be independent.
And if the EU turns out not to be the best for independent Scotland, we can leave. Stuck as a minor part of the UK, whatever the Tories decide that is going to happen to Scotland, we have no control over it at all. Thatcher all over again.
Too many of the people I have talked to who are supporters of being part of the UK are the same kind of people who leave Dundee every second week to travel to Glasgow to live in the 1690's.
Sam - 8 years ago
I voted NO in the referendum and so did the majority of people who voted.....why does Nicola Sturgeon not just accept defeat gracefully and get over it....move on! I am sick of hearing her banging on about independence,Scottish majority said NO,deal with it and find something more beneficial for Scotland to put all your energy into please.I know i would only vote NO again anyway.
What if that Spanish Zinc Fish Bowl could be raised onto rollers, a way found around Holyrood Palace, and then kicked down into the Forth? The Sturgeons, Salmons and all other undesirable therein could then swim their way around the world searching for a nation in which any NATIONALIST government has NOT eventually led to its people reaping economic, health, political and moral misery.
What benefit does it bring to have to pay, as a Scot, 12 times as much, as a Brit, for a Foreign Minister and all the Overseas Services? Add that to every other Service that governments believe necessary?
The seemly competent and logical MSP desirables (those not cursed with overriding negative ideologies) rescued from this dead end bowl could then stand for the British Parliament. E.g. individuals like Willie Rennie, Ruth Davidson ...
If elected they could make a meaningful contribution to improving EVERYONES lot.
To neutralize the cynical self-serving components of the political scene who continually insist on harping on about London or Westminster, where every region of Britain is represented, perhaps the FISH BOWL could be retained, and the BRITISH PARLIAMENT sit there for 6 months of the year? That should remove one of the focuses of the ideologues' bleats?
However, that solution would entail wasting taxpayers' contributions just to quieten the negativists who would then find something else at which to direct their rancour.
Perhaps the ZINC FISH BOWL could be put to better use? Say as a Home for the Needy?
The MSP Deplorables could then be retrained into useful professions? Sturgeon could then be clothed with white aprons instead of Thatcher purples? Salmond could lend a hand as a Trolley Pusher?
And the real benefit? We would be saved from turning on the radio and every time having to hear people banging on about to INDY REF or NO TO INDY REF, ad nauseam!!! This of course is playing the NAT game of divisively polarising everyone. A la ISIS .... ALL unproductive hot air and a complete waste of time and effort.
And the Radio Talk Shows Hosts would have to work at finding something really meaningful to focus on ..., Environment friendly energy production.....Care of the truly NEEDY and not of the GIMMES... Providing playing fields for entrepreneurial efforts to flourish and so create productive jobs that will in turn support service jobs... ways of encouraging world peace and MULTILATERAL disarmament ...in the meantime encouraging people to work together in providing efficient defences that will be required when the inevitable foreign force perceives us to be weak (today? Aleppo? ) (small countries in the past (Norway, Belgium, Holland, Ukraine, to name a few, have alway had to rely on friendly Big Brothers to come to their assistance ..)..... ways of reducing poverty in the world without robbing the producing workers of all classes ....
Then there is the supposed democracy?
At the INDYREF just last year, when there was a vote by ELECTORALLY REGISTERED Scots as to whether ALL Scots should retain or reject their British Nationality, it was reported that
The electorate was 4,283,392
Voted to remain British 2,001,926 - 46.74%
Voted to exit 1,617, 989 - 37.77%
Spoilt Ballot 3,429 - 0.08%
Could not care or could not vote or other 660,048 - 15.41%
There is no reference to all those Scots who were abroad at the time, far more in number than the registered 4,283,392, not to mention those 1,617, 989 who voted to bin their birthright.
Where is the fairness in having one's birth right stolen from one and one has no say in it?!
To summarize, Bin the Bowl, Trash the Fantasy World and let's get back to a less wasteful Meaningful Reality
Mark McDonald - 8 years ago
Why is it the SNP seem to think they are the only one's who think they have Scotland's interests at heart, every right thinking citizen of Scotland have their own thoughts on what is required for Scotland to succeed.
I don't need to have a flag in my garden or stickers on my car to show I am Scottish.
billy - 8 years ago
what happened to abolishing the council tax we voted for when you got voted in ?
Gogs Logs - 8 years ago
Absolutely YES! The 2014 referendum was won only due to a last gasp flurry of lies and false promises from the Better Together camp. One of the main arguments they used was staying part of the UK was the only way to guarantee we remained in Europe......this clearly not being the case and the countless numbers of false promises that have unraveled over the last 2 years has changed the whole landscape in Scotland. Lets face it we wont need the ££ argument now as we would be better with the euro in a few months anyway,
PETE - 8 years ago
I voted yes in the last independent referendum! however to do so again without giving the UK government under BREXIT a chance to prove their cause with another would be a grave mistake?
I still fail to understand why SNP want to break away from Westminster and still be tied to the cash cow that is the EU?
No for me!
Sturgeonitis - 8 years ago
Sturgeon is proving to be an undemocratic disaster zone. The country beyond the diehard core seps has no appetite for another 2 year independence borefest! They just want decent governance of education, health and the economy. Independence from the UK would wreck Scotland and create a generation of extreme poverty. Time for Sturgeon to go.
Bilbo - 8 years ago
We live in a democracy, a vote was cast and everyone now needs to accept this good or bad. If people have a problem with this system move somewhere nice like north Korea
steven - 8 years ago
You don't win so you whine until you get your own way, this seems to be the SNP ethos, pathetic party not fit for purpose, they need to be gone asap. You lost your "once in a generation" vote Nicola et al, deal with it and try and get back to leading the country, if you have it in you.
antony kevin ross - 8 years ago
Sturgeon should stop banging on about independance, that was emphatically voted aginst and get on with what she is paid to do and that is to get the services we pay for and indeed expect running correctly. Put up and shut up, please Miss Sturgeon.
nigel ellis - 8 years ago
SNP are the the governing party in Scotland and should focus on delivering their obligation to the people of Scotland following the referendum and govern.
They are not primarily a campaigning organisation and appear to have their priorities in the wrong order as witnessed by the poor economic (and social) indicators when measured against other parts of the UK.
If my elected representative works a 7 hour day I expect them to be spending at least 6 hours of the day on what they are paid to do and not pursuing an ideological campaign that the majority of my fellow countrymen rejected at the ballot box......maybe they should fill in timesheets just like the "honest working people" they so often refer to.
Billy i have a question for you...Wouldn't an independent Scotland need to have joined the EU for us to then decide we wanted to then leave the EU?Also London don't make all decisions about what happens in Scotland,that is why we have a Scottish Parliament is it not?Politics is never a black or white subject to discuss thats for sure but i do agree we are all entitled to an opinion,whatever it may be.
I cannot fathom the thinking of people who would rather have their lives and their choices decided by MP's in London over whom they have no control than be independent.
And if the EU turns out not to be the best for independent Scotland, we can leave. Stuck as a minor part of the UK, whatever the Tories decide that is going to happen to Scotland, we have no control over it at all. Thatcher all over again.
Too many of the people I have talked to who are supporters of being part of the UK are the same kind of people who leave Dundee every second week to travel to Glasgow to live in the 1690's.
I voted NO in the referendum and so did the majority of people who voted.....why does Nicola Sturgeon not just accept defeat gracefully and get over it....move on! I am sick of hearing her banging on about independence,Scottish majority said NO,deal with it and find something more beneficial for Scotland to put all your energy into please.I know i would only vote NO again anyway.
What if that Spanish Zinc Fish Bowl could be raised onto rollers, a way found around Holyrood Palace, and then kicked down into the Forth? The Sturgeons, Salmons and all other undesirable therein could then swim their way around the world searching for a nation in which any NATIONALIST government has NOT eventually led to its people reaping economic, health, political and moral misery.
What benefit does it bring to have to pay, as a Scot, 12 times as much, as a Brit, for a Foreign Minister and all the Overseas Services? Add that to every other Service that governments believe necessary?
The seemly competent and logical MSP desirables (those not cursed with overriding negative ideologies) rescued from this dead end bowl could then stand for the British Parliament. E.g. individuals like Willie Rennie, Ruth Davidson ...
If elected they could make a meaningful contribution to improving EVERYONES lot.
To neutralize the cynical self-serving components of the political scene who continually insist on harping on about London or Westminster, where every region of Britain is represented, perhaps the FISH BOWL could be retained, and the BRITISH PARLIAMENT sit there for 6 months of the year? That should remove one of the focuses of the ideologues' bleats?
However, that solution would entail wasting taxpayers' contributions just to quieten the negativists who would then find something else at which to direct their rancour.
Perhaps the ZINC FISH BOWL could be put to better use? Say as a Home for the Needy?
The MSP Deplorables could then be retrained into useful professions? Sturgeon could then be clothed with white aprons instead of Thatcher purples? Salmond could lend a hand as a Trolley Pusher?
And the real benefit? We would be saved from turning on the radio and every time having to hear people banging on about to INDY REF or NO TO INDY REF, ad nauseam!!! This of course is playing the NAT game of divisively polarising everyone. A la ISIS .... ALL unproductive hot air and a complete waste of time and effort.
And the Radio Talk Shows Hosts would have to work at finding something really meaningful to focus on ..., Environment friendly energy production.....Care of the truly NEEDY and not of the GIMMES... Providing playing fields for entrepreneurial efforts to flourish and so create productive jobs that will in turn support service jobs... ways of encouraging world peace and MULTILATERAL disarmament ...in the meantime encouraging people to work together in providing efficient defences that will be required when the inevitable foreign force perceives us to be weak (today? Aleppo? ) (small countries in the past (Norway, Belgium, Holland, Ukraine, to name a few, have alway had to rely on friendly Big Brothers to come to their assistance ..)..... ways of reducing poverty in the world without robbing the producing workers of all classes ....
Then there is the supposed democracy?
At the INDYREF just last year, when there was a vote by ELECTORALLY REGISTERED Scots as to whether ALL Scots should retain or reject their British Nationality, it was reported that
The electorate was 4,283,392
Voted to remain British 2,001,926 - 46.74%
Voted to exit 1,617, 989 - 37.77%
Spoilt Ballot 3,429 - 0.08%
Could not care or could not vote or other 660,048 - 15.41%
There is no reference to all those Scots who were abroad at the time, far more in number than the registered 4,283,392, not to mention those 1,617, 989 who voted to bin their birthright.
Where is the fairness in having one's birth right stolen from one and one has no say in it?!
To summarize, Bin the Bowl, Trash the Fantasy World and let's get back to a less wasteful Meaningful Reality
Why is it the SNP seem to think they are the only one's who think they have Scotland's interests at heart, every right thinking citizen of Scotland have their own thoughts on what is required for Scotland to succeed.
I don't need to have a flag in my garden or stickers on my car to show I am Scottish.
what happened to abolishing the council tax we voted for when you got voted in ?
Absolutely YES! The 2014 referendum was won only due to a last gasp flurry of lies and false promises from the Better Together camp. One of the main arguments they used was staying part of the UK was the only way to guarantee we remained in Europe......this clearly not being the case and the countless numbers of false promises that have unraveled over the last 2 years has changed the whole landscape in Scotland. Lets face it we wont need the ££ argument now as we would be better with the euro in a few months anyway,
I voted yes in the last independent referendum! however to do so again without giving the UK government under BREXIT a chance to prove their cause with another would be a grave mistake?
I still fail to understand why SNP want to break away from Westminster and still be tied to the cash cow that is the EU?
No for me!
Sturgeon is proving to be an undemocratic disaster zone. The country beyond the diehard core seps has no appetite for another 2 year independence borefest! They just want decent governance of education, health and the economy. Independence from the UK would wreck Scotland and create a generation of extreme poverty. Time for Sturgeon to go.
We live in a democracy, a vote was cast and everyone now needs to accept this good or bad. If people have a problem with this system move somewhere nice like north Korea
You don't win so you whine until you get your own way, this seems to be the SNP ethos, pathetic party not fit for purpose, they need to be gone asap. You lost your "once in a generation" vote Nicola et al, deal with it and try and get back to leading the country, if you have it in you.
Sturgeon should stop banging on about independance, that was emphatically voted aginst and get on with what she is paid to do and that is to get the services we pay for and indeed expect running correctly. Put up and shut up, please Miss Sturgeon.
SNP are the the governing party in Scotland and should focus on delivering their obligation to the people of Scotland following the referendum and govern.
They are not primarily a campaigning organisation and appear to have their priorities in the wrong order as witnessed by the poor economic (and social) indicators when measured against other parts of the UK.
If my elected representative works a 7 hour day I expect them to be spending at least 6 hours of the day on what they are paid to do and not pursuing an ideological campaign that the majority of my fellow countrymen rejected at the ballot box......maybe they should fill in timesheets just like the "honest working people" they so often refer to.