Haha its hilarious when people say they will quit if this is added, i dont see how such a little thing can make somone not want to play minecraft.
Abunchofbabyz - 14 years ago
its would require as much bandwith as it takes to log in. not a problem. security is fine because it is all anonymous data. also no problem. the fact that they monitor what you do is no different from any other modern game that requires a login. an email with nothing on it would require more bandwith to send. even without an opt in/out function i could care less you chose to buy it you choose to play it especially when it will only improve the game
in that case, i wouldn't feel like i'm being watched. Joking, i dont get it but sure ! its pretty good for minecraft to know about the data and see how it could improve!
stormtrooper302 - 14 years ago
I think it is a good idea. It's good for the developer to find out what the players are doing. Or how long players are playing for. Although, if I'm doing a request with signs example: Notch, please bring back herobrine!
He might see it and re-bring back herobrine. (Not that I want him back) Just give him a chance!
I think its a great idea!!
Bill - 14 years ago
Without a doubt it would be great if it leads to better gameplay for us.
Just make sure a person has the option to opt out of it, or disable it in the server.properties file as commented previously and it should be awesome.
Thanks for your time.
Bill
Adam - 14 years ago
Given that it wasn't something that was part of the game when we all bought it and might have shoved some of us away,
absolutely not if it's forced on us. It might even be illegal, having not given us legal notice before hand.
make it optional and use block counts (i.e. blocks mined, blocks placed, max placed block height, min mined block height, diamonds found and so on. But not every ten mins how 'bout it updates prior play data on each login (this can include offline time)
iTech - 14 years ago
Make it were it sends in the block usage as well. as every thing else you stated.
FirestormXL - 14 years ago
Hey all, erm... think there is a problem. Everytime I visit here the poll has reset, so I've voted yes three times just out of habit, and I checked and it IS counting them... so... I'll just stop voting now all together but... that's kinda a problem.
Jmoney - 14 years ago
it wont have any effect on your bandwidth because it literally takes at max 3 seconds to get the info and send it.
Gabby - 14 years ago
The only problem I really have with this is that it has the potential to mess up my game. My internet is less than perfect, so what happens if my internet up and decides not to work right as your tracker is going off? And yes, that sort of thing happens to me multiple times a day.
You got a yes vote from me, because that sounds like a good idea, and like it would be for the good of the community, exc. However, it also sounds like it has the potential to crash the game, especially on computers where the graphics settings have to be turned down for the game to run at all.
So, cool idea, but would it work?
DiEvAl - 14 years ago
Is it OK that half of letters on this page are white?
Anon - 14 years ago
No this will take to many megarams!
acuddly headcrab - 14 years ago
Brb, switchin my vote to Yes :D
Wouldn't this mean server mods could potentially collect data from users?
acuddly headcrab - 14 years ago
Would this make it so pirated versions wouldn't work? It would be sending info to the minecraft server so it possibly could be used to check for pirated/cracked applications...But if it doesn't require any personal info, like an account name, maybe it wouldn't matter...
The reason is ask is because of the amount of people who decide to buy the game (for the multiplayer) after they use a pirated version.
sgtdieyou - 14 years ago
hi
uberberry558 - 14 years ago
thats a good idea monitering people.
then you can see what people do and get some idea of what people whant> :)
Opt-in as mentioned before by other people is a really good idea, so that people can choose to share or not. However, I think you should also be able to collect some information on mods people are using - that way you'll better be able to assess what features people are using the most and can decide on any future implementations.
Hey Notch. (and others) Put an "Opt In" check box on the login. Make it remember it's last state. That should do it. Thanks for a great waste of time. Minecraft is great!.
KittyToothpaste - 14 years ago
The downloadable version doesn't work for me, it either says Java TM Platform SE Binary has stopped working or LoadLibrary failed. That means I can't add mods. It's so sad! Maybe this 'snooping' will do good!
Demitri - 14 years ago
Add an opt out function, you relentlessly evil demon.
Robert - 14 years ago
What a round-about dumb way of doing things, asking in a poll to see whether it's ok or not to snoop on ALL players.
Just add a checkbox at the login-screen to toggle snooping, so that each player can make this decision on their own.
Forward this!
Jeb_ - 14 years ago
It's only to see how long you play for. Possibly for new updates. Such as : If most people only play for an hour after 1.2, But played for 3 hours in 1.1. It'll go towards to see why. And even make the game more fun!
Mrmayor - 14 years ago
People are being pathetic, this type of thing is implented in thousands of games, and websites. Nearly every website has this function where it knows what page you came from, what type of Windows/OS you have or what type of resolution you are using. This ISN'T something new.
Notch was very kind to ask you sillys if it was okey, well guess what... most of the games out there from 2008+ uses this feature. Maybe not with the computer specs but the others. You didn't even vote on it, no one could.
And sending this data would take 1-2k... k and not kb/mb/gb. That's 10 times less and even more than playin on an online server. Even if you had ISDN 128kbit = 0.1mbit - you wouldn't even NOTICE is.
Get your facts straight before even typing. He is simply asking about ingame statistics to improve the game, not your cookies, pornsites or bank account. You are perfectly safe and don't you think when Notch wrote this that people WILL look into it if it's something fishy about it? Get a grip people... for fuck sake
UnKnoWnHazArDz - 14 years ago
Okay, everyone here is getting mad for a few reasons. First of all, loading this page has taken up more bandwidth than sending some data will. Second, it's only Minecraft data. All that will be sent is: Whether you are playing multiplayer, how long you are playing, and small such things in Minecraft. Also; there is no necessary for a opt button. Sending data will help Mojang improve the game based on what we players prefer and want. This is the exact thing which has made Minecraft great. The fact that Mojang listens to their players. To stop this basic thing would be to stop the amazing ingenuity which is Minecraft. What has brought Minecraft to 1.1 from alpha is the amazing updates, many of which were what we wanted. If it weren't for Mojang listening to their players, Minecraft would be loaded with bugs. We need stuff like this in order to improve Minecraft and make it as amazing as possible. I'm with notch all the way on this decision. It is exactly the kind of thinking that has made Minecraft such a sensations for all of us. To stop this from happening would basically be like telling Mojang to stop listening to their players and become like any other stuck-up major gaming company. This is not Mojang. This is why we love them. Thy are a compant that listens, they are people that care.
pieislie - 14 years ago
notch thats spyware
fondrick - 14 years ago
Ah, yes. It's good to see the dyslexically inept Anon popping up wherever logic and reason hold sway to try to get some sensationalism and anarchy out of a relatively calm situation.
Aramil - 14 years ago
@William
I quote "jay, Shut the f**k up. I'll repeat, 1KB, or ONE KILOBYTE, or the equivalent of hitting spacebar once and saving it. Not doing anything to your damn bandwidth."
Incorrect. 1 Kilobyte is the equivelant of hitting the spacebar 1000 times and saving it. Still not much, but a lot more than you say. For those of us with limited bandwith, like me, that is more than I want from a game that used to not take any.
I'm not saying it's a lot, and you're right, it won't slow down the game. But bandwithwise, yah, that could cause some problems. However, that would have to happen 1012 times to equal a megabyte, which is not that much either anyway. Still.
More to the point, this is a great idea that will improve the game immeasurably, not only with more/different features but with performance. Just give an opt out, and all will be fine.
Anon - 14 years ago
ONLY WITH OPT-OUT, OR I WILL STOP PLAYING.
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Create a track data option (true/false) in the properties file. Everyone wins!
Krulin - 14 years ago
There at least needs to be an opt out option. Otherwise what you're doing is essentially putting a potential security risk on our computer. It'd be easy for someone to turn this harmless data collector that you are proposing into a key-logger that could start swiping passwords or at the very least allow someone to find out our Minecraft password.
Glockenstein - 14 years ago
It's a game! Mojang don't want to track what your password on facebook, or on (God forgive them) Lunarstorm is. They want data so they can see what is the most popular in the game, and saying that you will stop playing because they want some ANONYMOUS information is so stupid, I can't find the words to describe how stupid it is. And if you will stop playing the game because of a small change, then you can't have been enjoying the game. And if you just hate the new updates, get a downgrader! And an opt-in, opt-out option is really stupid. If 75% doesn't have it on, then it wont collect enough data. And if that 75% whine if a thing gets added because they didn't have it on, they should be executed in public. I'm not really in favor of the option, since I liked the early updates, alpha and beta 1.2-1.7. Then, Notch added things suggested by players. That, my friend, was Minecraft. A small indie-game, made by a fat swedish guy.
Robert - 14 years ago
Lol its not stalker-ish at all, its all anonymous data so you dont have to worry about personal data being looked at
aaaaaa46 - 14 years ago
great idea!
Parker - 14 years ago
Even though it is kinda stalker-ish, I'm up for it. Whatever makes the game even better!
ubflamed - 14 years ago
The beauty of having an opt out is that you can opt in if you feel like voting for where Notch and crew want to focus on. If you don't care where the game goes then opt out. Good plan.
Bedders - 14 years ago
I play Minecraft on both my laptop (with a dongle, and thus restricted bandwidth) and on my desktop (with unlimited, fibre broadband), and I would say that an option to turn this of is a necessity.
I have no problem with programs collecting anonymous information (Microsoft and Apple are the worst: iDevices even track your location by default), but the option to turn off the data sending (or, at least, one to just let me turn it on once each month when I choose to, and send all the collected logs) is a REQUIREMENT.
An opt-out system is no problem: it won't affect my desktop at all, just my restricted-bandwidth laptop. An opt-in system is also no problem (obviously).
Since it will *probably* only be a text file, it won't be very big for most Internet Policies (which are, what, 40GB minimum?), but on my 1GB/month dongle bandwidth is my major concern. Also, the sending frequency is too high - maybe on session close/server disconnect? That way you can also gather error reports (maybe?).
zip - 14 years ago
Do people read what Notch wrote?
Nobody will be watching you, it's just anonymous data about how often a game is played, for how long time, how you play (probably creative mode or survival), etc.
It will be simple stats like : 60% of the games that started today were survival game. Average duration : 1.3 hour, etc.
It's good for them because they will know what to improve according to the way most of us play the game.
They are not going to look for your passwords, your phone number or your passport number...
I'm generally against this but if you give the option to turn it off, and allow users to see what data is being created it might not be so bad. I can see how it would help you make a better game.
Piranha - 14 years ago
I am against automatically connecting to the server without an option turning it on/off. And I'm against having it turned on by default.
A good solution could be to turn it on by default, and give a message to link to the settings page where you can set it on/off. Then the players that don't really care will have it on since that is the default. The persons that thinks about it may decide on their own.
trigillass - 14 years ago
I strongly advise going into this program. I am an in game admin and several instances, we have had to deal with people hacking and modifying their content to either give themselves an edge or to overall ruin the server. Our owner, vorksholk, is doing his best to try and solve these problems as they arise but they are just to numerous for one man to handle. If this goes through, we may be able to shut down this type of abuse of the clients. I just pray for the day were I can log onto Minecraft and can actually play for a change.
Robert - 14 years ago
Thats a very good idea, but i feel that if u have it opt out on default, a lot of people who dont care about it too much will end up having it off and only people who like this idea will end up having it on and there wont be a lot of data compared to what you could get if default was on.
Da brosef - 14 years ago
Im the 154000 voter ;)
sonicthepiehog - 14 years ago
be warned i log in and out cuz the sound wont work so thats the only way :|
Sne - 14 years ago
If you only go by majority vote, and don't give a crap about the big minority, at least make it optional.
Don't turn google-evil.
Wampa842 - 14 years ago
I don't like the very idea of being watched. And by the way, how could you improve MC with these data?
Joakim - 14 years ago
As long as it doesn't suck up bandwith; and additionally, I'd be happy to choose whether you want the utility active or not.
Chris - 14 years ago
I'm against having tracking like this but would accept an Opt in/Opt out option.
Khalashnikovf - 14 years ago
Would be definitively cool to track what players use to do and what they try to build or so. Then players would accept to upload all their data on server where it could track their efforts of builds etc. and then some new players could add these other players efforts into their world randomly (of course there needs to be some segregation of style, etc.)
It could work kinda like creatures in Spore (you could just meet that some building and other stuff)
:)
BobaFett3920 - 14 years ago
lol Notch wants to stalk our Minecraft characters... SURE :D
flyingsquirrel - 14 years ago
Just adding my note that tracking player stats sounds cool, but making it opt in/ opt out for those who don't want to participate would be cooler
OD - 14 years ago
WTF is up with the comments?
TheOneAndUpload - 14 years ago
Uhm.. I think this is a bit 'Creepy'? I know your not storing any data about us as a person, I know other games do, but come on.. I'm getting really close to quitting minecraft because of the new biomes, tonnes of useless items being added, jeb_ doesn't look into ideas like you, I wish you would come back and re-add the old biomes, they were closer to reality than what you have now, all snowy or swampy, you wanted the game to be 'Medieval' but most castles were built in forest/flat land areas, not putty moulded mountains. I know I'm offtopic, my comment doesn't count for much I am guessing you won't even read this and if you do, you probably won't care because i'm just a random person and you think of me as a 'Hater' but no, I love minecraft except its coming to an end for the game to me, I might switch to skyrim or world of warcraft, Notch i love you (no homo) but you really can make some silly decisions sometimes, especially by giving jeb_ leadership of minecraft, it's going downhill I hope everyone realizes that soon. Don't give up notch, come on! You love the game, you've worked really hard to make it as it was and then you hand it down to jeb_ because people say you suck at coding, come on most of us dont even know how to code a single line! Please read this.
Kyle - 14 years ago
I want a "Yes, thats evil" button
finalsliver - 14 years ago
Make the tracking disableable.
I play with alot of mods in one instance of Minecraft and I have to tweak my settings to keep things stable, so another uncontrolable script running in the background could cause a fair bit of fallout for me (especially if I cant kill my reactors intime!!)
also remember that mods might conflict with scripting, so you might get some mess of data from certain combinations,.. or false possitives so I suggest having some form of view for modders to scan for bad output and then give them control to stop tracking.
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also might be an Idea to script in a texture pack checker to find out what scale of texture packs seem popular, I personally enjoy a few 32x32 texture packs, but they conflict with some other stuff I've built in
Arjun Govindjee - 14 years ago
I wonder what modders will think of this. As long as it doesn't include creating md5 or SHA1(or any other kind) sums of my jar files its cool.
also an option would be nice :)
Bob - 14 years ago
As long as it doesn't slow us down, I'm fine. I still say 'no', because it seems like you might make this worse than we may like. If we had more detail...
Sam - 14 years ago
Provided the sending of the information does not affect performance.
it is good for the developers to know what your doing when you play that way they know what to improve.
Jason - 14 years ago
I dont think you guys realize that just about every game out there tracks your usage data and sends it back to the developers. I would bet that on consoles at least, every major game uses telemetry to track how their products are used. On the consoles you don't even get an option.
I am sure that a lot of products do it on your PC as well, but recently a lot of them have been asking you if it is okay to send usage data. But don't think they have to ask. It isn't like they are tracking any personal information. There is nothing that can personally identify you.
Stop over reacting and if he makes it an option you should enable it. Think of it like voting. If you dont vote then you are giving up your say in how the government functions, and if you don't contribute your user data then you are not letting the devs know how you used the game and where they should spend their dev time working on.
Eddie - 14 years ago
Guys,
Notch said that they want to know how you play the GAME not any of the f*cking porn sites you visit. Also he said that there WILL be an option for it.
So stop whining about it, it will make the game BETTER!
Cretino di merda - 14 years ago
Somebody should upload somekind of hack for minecraft to prevent Mojang from monitoring our computing habits.
Tigz Mordan - 14 years ago
I can see why people would not want you "snooping", as you put it. So my suggestion, rather than make it on by default but with the ability to opt-out, is to make it off by default, but with the option to opt-in. If you tick a box in the settings, the game starts sending anonymous data. Then people like me who want to help you guys out for free can tick the box, people who don't can just not tick it. Everybody wins :)
This kind of data could be instrumental in helping you develop the game. Plus you have one of the best communities in the industry as you can see by your poll results.
your awsomenesssssssss - 14 years ago
to be honest i would love the idia of it :). i would think it would be cool if people could see the people though :P that way we could be put on a mixed vid or something like that
your awsomenessssssss - 14 years ago
ok i think that we should all think about this. if there is a snooping option than that can make people uncunfertable (sry spelling lol) even if the snoop opion is set on no as king sugested but is still make people nerves beacause they might think the sight would be less guarded or not safe anuf or something like that wich might have an effect of the purchase of minecraft by people so maybe you should think of puting some safety information befor u make the snoop option total snoop or such to make people feel more comfertable (lol spelling)
kinglegoiii - 14 years ago
I think that that is a cool idea, but what you should do is have an option for no snooping, regular snooping, and total snooping. Not only could people choose if they want to or not, but if they have a lagging computer than the tracking data won't lag it even more if you have it on no snooping.
Ancilangeli - 14 years ago
OMFG, it's a game guys (not directed at Notch or the crew at Mojang, you guys are doing a great job).
Usage Statistics make things better not worse, and theyr just trying to help better the experience for us, same as those of us that make mods and texture packs do.
For anyone having problems with game loading/lag go download opti-fine, it adds more graphics options (plus allows HD texture packs).
For anyone afraid of your precious data going to someone who could car less what porn sites you visit and what your credit card number is (not that they would see that anyway) you could always just unhook from the net while you play, running web pages while the game is open causes lag anyways.
this is one hacker/modder with plenty of data to hide on my ComputerCraft computer who would opt-in for ANONYMOUS user stats
Robert Haraway - 14 years ago
I second @mark 's comment---that's a cool optional feature, but not something you should require from everyone.
Will - 14 years ago
No thanks. If you want info about how I play you can just ask me.
--such as current game mode (single player, multiplayer),
I play almost exclusively single player.
operating system (windows? mac?),
Windows 7 64bit.
how long you’ve been playing for (so we know how long a game session is),
Average game session about 3 hours.
and whether or not you’re playing the downloaded game, or the applet on the webpage.
Always downloaded.
BornAProphet - 14 years ago
I would not mind the data being used. I would love to see this data used for greater good such as being able to find a list of people currently online or a list of servers for multiplayer. Some social implementation that would allow user to user contact via main menu's or something other then having to leave the game to go to forums to find people to play with.
jw - 14 years ago
+1 for optional tracking
Mistereddy - 14 years ago
Ofcourse you can, its your game! ;)
Thomas - 14 years ago
I think that you should create more polls to see what people are doing instead of tracking them. That would be easier!
MickeyJoe - 14 years ago
Dear Markus, how are things going? i wanted to ask u 2 things.
Nr1: could u make me a skin for Minecraft? i just cant find a skin that fits with me! i hoped u could take the time to make me a skin acording to how i look. i have black hair. i Minecraft and weirdly enough i love Creepers, i mostly wear black clother cus i also love metal! i also always use a double head on my skin when i make one. on the inside a skeleton (or something else) and on the outside just the head. can u do anything with that info?
Nr2: i bet u and Jens get questions like this, but can i have a cape? i dont care how i would look like, i just want it to be desinged by you! i know mostly only peaple who do something special get a cape added to their account but i just want realy badly want 1! for the cape (if i would get 1) i liked it to be all your design! the only thing i want for the cape to have a big black V on it!
well thats it.... i hoped u liked it and wil think about it!
Bye!
(my Minecraft name is btw: MickeyJoe )
and i know this is a weird place to say this but i hoped u respawnt cuz u didnt respawnt to my email......
Epicness - 14 years ago
This won't slow down my game will it? Because mine is laggy enough, I have to always have fast graphics on and sometimes tiny rendering distance. I am all for this as long as it doesn't slow my game down, and as long as it's optional.
sesquey - 14 years ago
You don't need that information. I bought your game to enjoy your hard work and creative ideas - not to enter into a continuous relationship about play habits.
andrew - 14 years ago
As long as you tell us what your looking at and we can choose either yes or no. And an un-encrypted text page showing what is being sent is crucial.
YAUUN - 14 years ago
I don't mind you collecting statistics, as long it is _opt-in only_ for both client and server. If there is no choice or it's opt-out, I will either stop playing Minecraft or use a modified client.
anonymousbiatch - 14 years ago
i really dont give a shit, just make it opt in opt out for people who dont want it, simple as that
dannboy46 - 14 years ago
it happens everywhere, its calleed cookies online , so most websites already use it. at least he is asking about it, stop being so hissy, if he wanted to he could have already done it in a secret update
Craig - 14 years ago
Wait, did anyone even question how this would work with mods? A single mod or configuration could drastically change how one plays the game. "Oh, that's okay, they can just read what mods I use, compared, that isn't nearly as personal" you might say, but where is the line drawn? What would Mojang do if they found that almost everyone used a planes mod? Probably try to please the majority by adding planes. For those of us who'd like to play on a multiplayer server without being attacked by men from the skies, that's not okay. Mojang should stick with letting the players TELL them what they do or don't like about the game. If anything, Mojang doesn't listen to their players enough (no one can), we have threads upon threads of suggestions, bugs, and ideas, and a lot of them haven't been read, especially not by Mojang. This active community is the one thing that keeps Mojang involved with it's players, cut this and Mojang will no longer operate as a personal, indie game company, it'll be the classic big business, "too busy to listen to your hand written requests, so here's a machine to do it for us and we programmed it not care either" type of operation. This isn't for the players, it's so Mojang can be lazy. Disagree? Just wait and see.
Martin - 14 years ago
Please do not do this.
I understand that tracking enables the Team to streamline the development process to player needs and playing styles, but one of the absolutely most brilliant things about Minecraft is that players have a direct incentive for the self-involvement of shaping the experience.
It took me days to have a build tinkered with mods, a skin that i like and parameters that make Minecraft into the experience that probably no one else has. With tracking the game will inevitably be streamlined to the "middle line", something that i think it does not need.
The beautiful thing is, that playing it is the incentive, there are (almost) no goals or virtual "milestones" to reach, except the ones you set yourself. That i actually take the time to write a comment is testament to this.
If it was my choice, id rather have you guys work on much easier mod implementation. Im not a coder by any means, but itll probably make the process easier to map out everything for the modding community, and have a centralised built in "mod center", where ID issues, conflicts and such get resolved way quicker. I had to develop a process for testing and implementing mods, so i dont kill myself in the process.
Im sure im very extreme with this, but if modding would be more user friendly, it would open up this part of Minecraft to so many more people, that right now, are sometimes even having problems to only unpack into the jar. And were not even talking about the order, tinkering with text only configs and getting it to run in 64 bit mode.
Yeah, yeah, its all nerdy and cool, but its actually quite arrogant of us more involved types to assume that everyone would need to have advanced computer user skills, just because everyone uses them. We dont expect anyone to be able to repair it either. And lets not get trolly and argue the example please. Ill just think Minecraft doesnt need a more streamlined experience, but much easier customising. And probably more eye candy. Yes, i said it.
I would play Minecraft: Source for sure. Doesnt need to get less blocky for that. ;)
Thanks for reading enthusiast!
SockeFtw - 14 years ago
@Eagleye97 wtf are you about?! i can play minecraft with an old pc with singlecore cpu shitty ram and shitty graphic card and it's not lagging...stop talkin shit!
Alba - 14 years ago
Why do people not understand, the word "anonymous" it means nobody knows where the data came from nor does it affect your gameplay or give you lag anymore than what you'd be getting, get a better computer if you think a tiny bit of uploading a KB will effect gameplay. Besides all this, what is the harm to people even if he wanted non-anonymous data, real people other than Notch and the other people at Mojang don't care if you play minecraft nor what you do on it, stop being paranoid little children, how would it ever effect you at all... if you're paranoid someone can see you play a game you shouldn't be aloud on the internet, go and get back in your cot and cuddle your teddies.
Soulseller - 14 years ago
@peter frank not really. like someone say before. almost EVERY game has this tool (without asking) so there should be no Problem with laws, in fact we allowe him to do it. right here.
mfg Soulseller
votet YES every day!!
peter frank - 14 years ago
Have luck if you add it without options of no. The Germans and parts of the EU would have your balls on a plate (Laws)...
Eagleye97 - 14 years ago
Minecraft lags like hell although i got a new Alienware PC... and an extra java process which connects all 10 minutes to your server wouldn't make it better. Java is the worst thing I've ever seen! You need a high-tech PC for playing Minecraft because on a normal PC it lags like sh**! Go learn some C++
Thazon - 14 years ago
SnooPING AS usual I see; eh Notch?
Of course you should get moar data (and for the bitchy ones add an opt-in/opt-out feature)!
DannySwish - 14 years ago
Honestly I don't see why not. You could have easily added an "Opt in/Opt out" option to the game without asking anybody if they wanted it on anyways. I voted yes, but for ALL the people who say no, all you have to do is give them the choice in game. I say add it, but make the default "Opt Out" and ask the player the first time they log in with the update. Easy Peasey.
StrangeAI - 14 years ago
Notch,
Before thinking about snooping data from your player's clients, you should identify the questions you got and look out for less intrusive means to answer them.
I think your approach could help to tweak some algorithyms, but it is less worth the effort for any more complex questions. Depending on the insights you are looking for, it would be more efficient to set up a questionnaire and ask your players directly. Investing in a professional to do so would still be more cost efficient than setting up your data collection tool.
Kind regards,
StrangeAI
Btw: Yes and no would have been enough to answer this poll. You risk to get a distorted picture with these suggestive additions.
william - 14 years ago
im reposting this
this is the guy that said it first Shadow0X3 - 7 hours ago
Oh God there is SO much intelligence on this poll. Seriously, if I distribute guns, will some of you please shoot yourselves?
-Sending a 1Kb file takes fractions on a second, so it won't slow jack shit down.
-All this does is record whether or not you hit button X in situation Y, not whether you typed in password A on website B.
-He's doing this TO MAKE THE GAME BETTER FOR US.
-Mods are supported, why do you think he's making the modding API? Why would he then contradict himself to restrict them?
-And to the community comments: Yes, your life is so important to us that we hired Notch to make a sandbox game to give him millions of dollars so we could read a 1Kb text file about how you placed a fucking dirt block.
-jay, Shut the fuck up. I'll repeat, 1KB, or ONE KILOBYTE, or the equivalent of hitting spacebar once and saving it. Not doing anything to your damn bandwidth.
Supported by me and all my friends, although I like the opt out and opt in ideas
Brian - 14 years ago
Hey This Might Be Really Cool, I mean If Notch Could Maybe Even Video What We Do On Minecraft He Would See What Annoys Us And What We Like, Maybe He Would Even See That People (Like Me) Who Spend Hours At A time Playing The Game What They Really Dont Like Or Certain Glitches That We Find On Multiplayer, Or SinglePlayer Such As Chests Getting Suck (Hint, Hint)
Treble - 14 years ago
Yes.
I Think this would benefit the game a lot.
No Opt-In or Opt-Out. It's Notch's game, he can do what he wants to it. To all you whiney shits out there: Shut up. Notch is not a hacker, whats he gonna do with what the general actions you do in the game? OH YEAH, Notch is going to risk getting arrested and giving up the millions he makes with how many times you press the space bar. He probably just wants to see what people do the most, (Crafting, Brewing, Mining, etc.) so he can find which to benefit and what to wait for. I mean really, do we want that thing from the Halloween update when more mobs spawn the farther down you go and it turned out being an annoyance? No. No we don't. And slight data like that could prevent that.
Yes. No opt-in or opt-out. YES.
Awesome-pieater - 14 years ago
Hey, this rhymes. Jay is gay.
Awesome-pieater - 14 years ago
Wow, guys. Come on this is getting retarded. It wont slow it down or make you look bad or something nobody cares about, so just push agree and let the whiners cry. Ps. I think there needs to be some good block updates, and updates to the iOS/android ect.
TALON298 - 14 years ago
Not only they should do that, they should also find a way to anonymously track what mods people use on their game!!! :)
Cal - 14 years ago
As long as it's optional, it's a good idea.
Shadow0X3 - 14 years ago
Oh God there is SO much intelligence on this poll. Seriously, if I distribute guns, will some of you please shoot yourselves?
-Sending a 1Kb file takes fractions on a second, so it won't slow jack shit down.
-All this does is record whether or not you hit button X in situation Y, not whether you typed in password A on website B.
-He's doing this TO MAKE THE GAME BETTER FOR US.
-Mods are supported, why do you think he's making the modding API? Why would he then contradict himself to restrict them?
-And to the community comments: Yes, your life is so important to us that we hired Notch to make a sandbox game to give him millions of dollars so we could read a 1Kb text file about how you placed a fucking dirt block.
-jay, Shut the fuck up. I'll repeat, 1KB, or ONE KILOBYTE, or the equivalent of hitting spacebar once and saving it. Not doing anything to your damn bandwidth.
Supported by me and all my friends, although I like the opt out and opt in ideas
Haha its hilarious when people say they will quit if this is added, i dont see how such a little thing can make somone not want to play minecraft.
its would require as much bandwith as it takes to log in. not a problem. security is fine because it is all anonymous data. also no problem. the fact that they monitor what you do is no different from any other modern game that requires a login. an email with nothing on it would require more bandwith to send. even without an opt in/out function i could care less you chose to buy it you choose to play it especially when it will only improve the game
in that case, i wouldn't feel like i'm being watched. Joking, i dont get it but sure ! its pretty good for minecraft to know about the data and see how it could improve!
I think it is a good idea. It's good for the developer to find out what the players are doing. Or how long players are playing for. Although, if I'm doing a request with signs example: Notch, please bring back herobrine!
He might see it and re-bring back herobrine. (Not that I want him back) Just give him a chance!
I think its a great idea!!
Without a doubt it would be great if it leads to better gameplay for us.
Just make sure a person has the option to opt out of it, or disable it in the server.properties file as commented previously and it should be awesome.
Thanks for your time.
Bill
Given that it wasn't something that was part of the game when we all bought it and might have shoved some of us away,
absolutely not if it's forced on us. It might even be illegal, having not given us legal notice before hand.
You need to make it an optional thing.
This would suck... opt-in or i'm off.
make it optional and use block counts (i.e. blocks mined, blocks placed, max placed block height, min mined block height, diamonds found and so on. But not every ten mins how 'bout it updates prior play data on each login (this can include offline time)
Make it were it sends in the block usage as well. as every thing else you stated.
Hey all, erm... think there is a problem. Everytime I visit here the poll has reset, so I've voted yes three times just out of habit, and I checked and it IS counting them... so... I'll just stop voting now all together but... that's kinda a problem.
it wont have any effect on your bandwidth because it literally takes at max 3 seconds to get the info and send it.
The only problem I really have with this is that it has the potential to mess up my game. My internet is less than perfect, so what happens if my internet up and decides not to work right as your tracker is going off? And yes, that sort of thing happens to me multiple times a day.
You got a yes vote from me, because that sounds like a good idea, and like it would be for the good of the community, exc. However, it also sounds like it has the potential to crash the game, especially on computers where the graphics settings have to be turned down for the game to run at all.
So, cool idea, but would it work?
Is it OK that half of letters on this page are white?
No this will take to many megarams!
Brb, switchin my vote to Yes :D
Wouldn't this mean server mods could potentially collect data from users?
Would this make it so pirated versions wouldn't work? It would be sending info to the minecraft server so it possibly could be used to check for pirated/cracked applications...But if it doesn't require any personal info, like an account name, maybe it wouldn't matter...
The reason is ask is because of the amount of people who decide to buy the game (for the multiplayer) after they use a pirated version.
hi
thats a good idea monitering people.
then you can see what people do and get some idea of what people whant> :)
Opt-in as mentioned before by other people is a really good idea, so that people can choose to share or not. However, I think you should also be able to collect some information on mods people are using - that way you'll better be able to assess what features people are using the most and can decide on any future implementations.
Hey Notch. (and others) Put an "Opt In" check box on the login. Make it remember it's last state. That should do it. Thanks for a great waste of time. Minecraft is great!.
The downloadable version doesn't work for me, it either says Java TM Platform SE Binary has stopped working or LoadLibrary failed. That means I can't add mods. It's so sad! Maybe this 'snooping' will do good!
Add an opt out function, you relentlessly evil demon.
What a round-about dumb way of doing things, asking in a poll to see whether it's ok or not to snoop on ALL players.
Just add a checkbox at the login-screen to toggle snooping, so that each player can make this decision on their own.
Forward this!
It's only to see how long you play for. Possibly for new updates. Such as : If most people only play for an hour after 1.2, But played for 3 hours in 1.1. It'll go towards to see why. And even make the game more fun!
People are being pathetic, this type of thing is implented in thousands of games, and websites. Nearly every website has this function where it knows what page you came from, what type of Windows/OS you have or what type of resolution you are using. This ISN'T something new.
Notch was very kind to ask you sillys if it was okey, well guess what... most of the games out there from 2008+ uses this feature. Maybe not with the computer specs but the others. You didn't even vote on it, no one could.
And sending this data would take 1-2k... k and not kb/mb/gb. That's 10 times less and even more than playin on an online server. Even if you had ISDN 128kbit = 0.1mbit - you wouldn't even NOTICE is.
Get your facts straight before even typing. He is simply asking about ingame statistics to improve the game, not your cookies, pornsites or bank account. You are perfectly safe and don't you think when Notch wrote this that people WILL look into it if it's something fishy about it? Get a grip people... for fuck sake
Okay, everyone here is getting mad for a few reasons. First of all, loading this page has taken up more bandwidth than sending some data will. Second, it's only Minecraft data. All that will be sent is: Whether you are playing multiplayer, how long you are playing, and small such things in Minecraft. Also; there is no necessary for a opt button. Sending data will help Mojang improve the game based on what we players prefer and want. This is the exact thing which has made Minecraft great. The fact that Mojang listens to their players. To stop this basic thing would be to stop the amazing ingenuity which is Minecraft. What has brought Minecraft to 1.1 from alpha is the amazing updates, many of which were what we wanted. If it weren't for Mojang listening to their players, Minecraft would be loaded with bugs. We need stuff like this in order to improve Minecraft and make it as amazing as possible. I'm with notch all the way on this decision. It is exactly the kind of thinking that has made Minecraft such a sensations for all of us. To stop this from happening would basically be like telling Mojang to stop listening to their players and become like any other stuck-up major gaming company. This is not Mojang. This is why we love them. Thy are a compant that listens, they are people that care.
notch thats spyware
Ah, yes. It's good to see the dyslexically inept Anon popping up wherever logic and reason hold sway to try to get some sensationalism and anarchy out of a relatively calm situation.
@William
I quote "jay, Shut the f**k up. I'll repeat, 1KB, or ONE KILOBYTE, or the equivalent of hitting spacebar once and saving it. Not doing anything to your damn bandwidth."
Incorrect. 1 Kilobyte is the equivelant of hitting the spacebar 1000 times and saving it. Still not much, but a lot more than you say. For those of us with limited bandwith, like me, that is more than I want from a game that used to not take any.
I'm not saying it's a lot, and you're right, it won't slow down the game. But bandwithwise, yah, that could cause some problems. However, that would have to happen 1012 times to equal a megabyte, which is not that much either anyway. Still.
More to the point, this is a great idea that will improve the game immeasurably, not only with more/different features but with performance. Just give an opt out, and all will be fine.
ONLY WITH OPT-OUT, OR I WILL STOP PLAYING.
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Else:
Except us.
Create a track data option (true/false) in the properties file. Everyone wins!
There at least needs to be an opt out option. Otherwise what you're doing is essentially putting a potential security risk on our computer. It'd be easy for someone to turn this harmless data collector that you are proposing into a key-logger that could start swiping passwords or at the very least allow someone to find out our Minecraft password.
It's a game! Mojang don't want to track what your password on facebook, or on (God forgive them) Lunarstorm is. They want data so they can see what is the most popular in the game, and saying that you will stop playing because they want some ANONYMOUS information is so stupid, I can't find the words to describe how stupid it is. And if you will stop playing the game because of a small change, then you can't have been enjoying the game. And if you just hate the new updates, get a downgrader! And an opt-in, opt-out option is really stupid. If 75% doesn't have it on, then it wont collect enough data. And if that 75% whine if a thing gets added because they didn't have it on, they should be executed in public. I'm not really in favor of the option, since I liked the early updates, alpha and beta 1.2-1.7. Then, Notch added things suggested by players. That, my friend, was Minecraft. A small indie-game, made by a fat swedish guy.
Lol its not stalker-ish at all, its all anonymous data so you dont have to worry about personal data being looked at
great idea!
Even though it is kinda stalker-ish, I'm up for it. Whatever makes the game even better!
The beauty of having an opt out is that you can opt in if you feel like voting for where Notch and crew want to focus on. If you don't care where the game goes then opt out. Good plan.
I play Minecraft on both my laptop (with a dongle, and thus restricted bandwidth) and on my desktop (with unlimited, fibre broadband), and I would say that an option to turn this of is a necessity.
I have no problem with programs collecting anonymous information (Microsoft and Apple are the worst: iDevices even track your location by default), but the option to turn off the data sending (or, at least, one to just let me turn it on once each month when I choose to, and send all the collected logs) is a REQUIREMENT.
An opt-out system is no problem: it won't affect my desktop at all, just my restricted-bandwidth laptop. An opt-in system is also no problem (obviously).
Since it will *probably* only be a text file, it won't be very big for most Internet Policies (which are, what, 40GB minimum?), but on my 1GB/month dongle bandwidth is my major concern. Also, the sending frequency is too high - maybe on session close/server disconnect? That way you can also gather error reports (maybe?).
Do people read what Notch wrote?
Nobody will be watching you, it's just anonymous data about how often a game is played, for how long time, how you play (probably creative mode or survival), etc.
It will be simple stats like : 60% of the games that started today were survival game. Average duration : 1.3 hour, etc.
It's good for them because they will know what to improve according to the way most of us play the game.
They are not going to look for your passwords, your phone number or your passport number...
I'm generally against this but if you give the option to turn it off, and allow users to see what data is being created it might not be so bad. I can see how it would help you make a better game.
I am against automatically connecting to the server without an option turning it on/off. And I'm against having it turned on by default.
A good solution could be to turn it on by default, and give a message to link to the settings page where you can set it on/off. Then the players that don't really care will have it on since that is the default. The persons that thinks about it may decide on their own.
I strongly advise going into this program. I am an in game admin and several instances, we have had to deal with people hacking and modifying their content to either give themselves an edge or to overall ruin the server. Our owner, vorksholk, is doing his best to try and solve these problems as they arise but they are just to numerous for one man to handle. If this goes through, we may be able to shut down this type of abuse of the clients. I just pray for the day were I can log onto Minecraft and can actually play for a change.
Thats a very good idea, but i feel that if u have it opt out on default, a lot of people who dont care about it too much will end up having it off and only people who like this idea will end up having it on and there wont be a lot of data compared to what you could get if default was on.
Im the 154000 voter ;)
be warned i log in and out cuz the sound wont work so thats the only way :|
If you only go by majority vote, and don't give a crap about the big minority, at least make it optional.
Don't turn google-evil.
I don't like the very idea of being watched. And by the way, how could you improve MC with these data?
As long as it doesn't suck up bandwith; and additionally, I'd be happy to choose whether you want the utility active or not.
I'm against having tracking like this but would accept an Opt in/Opt out option.
Would be definitively cool to track what players use to do and what they try to build or so. Then players would accept to upload all their data on server where it could track their efforts of builds etc. and then some new players could add these other players efforts into their world randomly (of course there needs to be some segregation of style, etc.)
It could work kinda like creatures in Spore (you could just meet that some building and other stuff)
:)
lol Notch wants to stalk our Minecraft characters... SURE :D
Just adding my note that tracking player stats sounds cool, but making it opt in/ opt out for those who don't want to participate would be cooler
WTF is up with the comments?
Uhm.. I think this is a bit 'Creepy'? I know your not storing any data about us as a person, I know other games do, but come on.. I'm getting really close to quitting minecraft because of the new biomes, tonnes of useless items being added, jeb_ doesn't look into ideas like you, I wish you would come back and re-add the old biomes, they were closer to reality than what you have now, all snowy or swampy, you wanted the game to be 'Medieval' but most castles were built in forest/flat land areas, not putty moulded mountains. I know I'm offtopic, my comment doesn't count for much I am guessing you won't even read this and if you do, you probably won't care because i'm just a random person and you think of me as a 'Hater' but no, I love minecraft except its coming to an end for the game to me, I might switch to skyrim or world of warcraft, Notch i love you (no homo) but you really can make some silly decisions sometimes, especially by giving jeb_ leadership of minecraft, it's going downhill I hope everyone realizes that soon. Don't give up notch, come on! You love the game, you've worked really hard to make it as it was and then you hand it down to jeb_ because people say you suck at coding, come on most of us dont even know how to code a single line! Please read this.
I want a "Yes, thats evil" button
Make the tracking disableable.
I play with alot of mods in one instance of Minecraft and I have to tweak my settings to keep things stable, so another uncontrolable script running in the background could cause a fair bit of fallout for me (especially if I cant kill my reactors intime!!)
also remember that mods might conflict with scripting, so you might get some mess of data from certain combinations,.. or false possitives so I suggest having some form of view for modders to scan for bad output and then give them control to stop tracking.
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also might be an Idea to script in a texture pack checker to find out what scale of texture packs seem popular, I personally enjoy a few 32x32 texture packs, but they conflict with some other stuff I've built in
I wonder what modders will think of this. As long as it doesn't include creating md5 or SHA1(or any other kind) sums of my jar files its cool.
also an option would be nice :)
As long as it doesn't slow us down, I'm fine. I still say 'no', because it seems like you might make this worse than we may like. If we had more detail...
Provided the sending of the information does not affect performance.
it is good for the developers to know what your doing when you play that way they know what to improve.
I dont think you guys realize that just about every game out there tracks your usage data and sends it back to the developers. I would bet that on consoles at least, every major game uses telemetry to track how their products are used. On the consoles you don't even get an option.
I am sure that a lot of products do it on your PC as well, but recently a lot of them have been asking you if it is okay to send usage data. But don't think they have to ask. It isn't like they are tracking any personal information. There is nothing that can personally identify you.
Stop over reacting and if he makes it an option you should enable it. Think of it like voting. If you dont vote then you are giving up your say in how the government functions, and if you don't contribute your user data then you are not letting the devs know how you used the game and where they should spend their dev time working on.
Guys,
Notch said that they want to know how you play the GAME not any of the f*cking porn sites you visit. Also he said that there WILL be an option for it.
So stop whining about it, it will make the game BETTER!
Somebody should upload somekind of hack for minecraft to prevent Mojang from monitoring our computing habits.
I can see why people would not want you "snooping", as you put it. So my suggestion, rather than make it on by default but with the ability to opt-out, is to make it off by default, but with the option to opt-in. If you tick a box in the settings, the game starts sending anonymous data. Then people like me who want to help you guys out for free can tick the box, people who don't can just not tick it. Everybody wins :)
This kind of data could be instrumental in helping you develop the game. Plus you have one of the best communities in the industry as you can see by your poll results.
to be honest i would love the idia of it :). i would think it would be cool if people could see the people though :P that way we could be put on a mixed vid or something like that
ok i think that we should all think about this. if there is a snooping option than that can make people uncunfertable (sry spelling lol) even if the snoop opion is set on no as king sugested but is still make people nerves beacause they might think the sight would be less guarded or not safe anuf or something like that wich might have an effect of the purchase of minecraft by people so maybe you should think of puting some safety information befor u make the snoop option total snoop or such to make people feel more comfertable (lol spelling)
I think that that is a cool idea, but what you should do is have an option for no snooping, regular snooping, and total snooping. Not only could people choose if they want to or not, but if they have a lagging computer than the tracking data won't lag it even more if you have it on no snooping.
OMFG, it's a game guys (not directed at Notch or the crew at Mojang, you guys are doing a great job).
Usage Statistics make things better not worse, and theyr just trying to help better the experience for us, same as those of us that make mods and texture packs do.
For anyone having problems with game loading/lag go download opti-fine, it adds more graphics options (plus allows HD texture packs).
For anyone afraid of your precious data going to someone who could car less what porn sites you visit and what your credit card number is (not that they would see that anyway) you could always just unhook from the net while you play, running web pages while the game is open causes lag anyways.
this is one hacker/modder with plenty of data to hide on my ComputerCraft computer who would opt-in for ANONYMOUS user stats
I second @mark 's comment---that's a cool optional feature, but not something you should require from everyone.
No thanks. If you want info about how I play you can just ask me.
--such as current game mode (single player, multiplayer),
I play almost exclusively single player.
operating system (windows? mac?),
Windows 7 64bit.
how long you’ve been playing for (so we know how long a game session is),
Average game session about 3 hours.
and whether or not you’re playing the downloaded game, or the applet on the webpage.
Always downloaded.
I would not mind the data being used. I would love to see this data used for greater good such as being able to find a list of people currently online or a list of servers for multiplayer. Some social implementation that would allow user to user contact via main menu's or something other then having to leave the game to go to forums to find people to play with.
+1 for optional tracking
Ofcourse you can, its your game! ;)
I think that you should create more polls to see what people are doing instead of tracking them. That would be easier!
Dear Markus, how are things going? i wanted to ask u 2 things.
Nr1: could u make me a skin for Minecraft? i just cant find a skin that fits with me! i hoped u could take the time to make me a skin acording to how i look. i have black hair. i Minecraft and weirdly enough i love Creepers, i mostly wear black clother cus i also love metal! i also always use a double head on my skin when i make one. on the inside a skeleton (or something else) and on the outside just the head. can u do anything with that info?
Nr2: i bet u and Jens get questions like this, but can i have a cape? i dont care how i would look like, i just want it to be desinged by you! i know mostly only peaple who do something special get a cape added to their account but i just want realy badly want 1! for the cape (if i would get 1) i liked it to be all your design! the only thing i want for the cape to have a big black V on it!
well thats it.... i hoped u liked it and wil think about it!
Bye!
(my Minecraft name is btw: MickeyJoe )
and i know this is a weird place to say this but i hoped u respawnt cuz u didnt respawnt to my email......
This won't slow down my game will it? Because mine is laggy enough, I have to always have fast graphics on and sometimes tiny rendering distance. I am all for this as long as it doesn't slow my game down, and as long as it's optional.
You don't need that information. I bought your game to enjoy your hard work and creative ideas - not to enter into a continuous relationship about play habits.
As long as you tell us what your looking at and we can choose either yes or no. And an un-encrypted text page showing what is being sent is crucial.
I don't mind you collecting statistics, as long it is _opt-in only_ for both client and server. If there is no choice or it's opt-out, I will either stop playing Minecraft or use a modified client.
i really dont give a shit, just make it opt in opt out for people who dont want it, simple as that
it happens everywhere, its calleed cookies online , so most websites already use it. at least he is asking about it, stop being so hissy, if he wanted to he could have already done it in a secret update
Wait, did anyone even question how this would work with mods? A single mod or configuration could drastically change how one plays the game. "Oh, that's okay, they can just read what mods I use, compared, that isn't nearly as personal" you might say, but where is the line drawn? What would Mojang do if they found that almost everyone used a planes mod? Probably try to please the majority by adding planes. For those of us who'd like to play on a multiplayer server without being attacked by men from the skies, that's not okay. Mojang should stick with letting the players TELL them what they do or don't like about the game. If anything, Mojang doesn't listen to their players enough (no one can), we have threads upon threads of suggestions, bugs, and ideas, and a lot of them haven't been read, especially not by Mojang. This active community is the one thing that keeps Mojang involved with it's players, cut this and Mojang will no longer operate as a personal, indie game company, it'll be the classic big business, "too busy to listen to your hand written requests, so here's a machine to do it for us and we programmed it not care either" type of operation. This isn't for the players, it's so Mojang can be lazy. Disagree? Just wait and see.
Please do not do this.
I understand that tracking enables the Team to streamline the development process to player needs and playing styles, but one of the absolutely most brilliant things about Minecraft is that players have a direct incentive for the self-involvement of shaping the experience.
It took me days to have a build tinkered with mods, a skin that i like and parameters that make Minecraft into the experience that probably no one else has. With tracking the game will inevitably be streamlined to the "middle line", something that i think it does not need.
The beautiful thing is, that playing it is the incentive, there are (almost) no goals or virtual "milestones" to reach, except the ones you set yourself. That i actually take the time to write a comment is testament to this.
If it was my choice, id rather have you guys work on much easier mod implementation. Im not a coder by any means, but itll probably make the process easier to map out everything for the modding community, and have a centralised built in "mod center", where ID issues, conflicts and such get resolved way quicker. I had to develop a process for testing and implementing mods, so i dont kill myself in the process.
Im sure im very extreme with this, but if modding would be more user friendly, it would open up this part of Minecraft to so many more people, that right now, are sometimes even having problems to only unpack into the jar. And were not even talking about the order, tinkering with text only configs and getting it to run in 64 bit mode.
Yeah, yeah, its all nerdy and cool, but its actually quite arrogant of us more involved types to assume that everyone would need to have advanced computer user skills, just because everyone uses them. We dont expect anyone to be able to repair it either. And lets not get trolly and argue the example please. Ill just think Minecraft doesnt need a more streamlined experience, but much easier customising. And probably more eye candy. Yes, i said it.
I would play Minecraft: Source for sure. Doesnt need to get less blocky for that. ;)
Thanks for reading enthusiast!
@Eagleye97 wtf are you about?! i can play minecraft with an old pc with singlecore cpu shitty ram and shitty graphic card and it's not lagging...stop talkin shit!
Why do people not understand, the word "anonymous" it means nobody knows where the data came from nor does it affect your gameplay or give you lag anymore than what you'd be getting, get a better computer if you think a tiny bit of uploading a KB will effect gameplay. Besides all this, what is the harm to people even if he wanted non-anonymous data, real people other than Notch and the other people at Mojang don't care if you play minecraft nor what you do on it, stop being paranoid little children, how would it ever effect you at all... if you're paranoid someone can see you play a game you shouldn't be aloud on the internet, go and get back in your cot and cuddle your teddies.
@peter frank not really. like someone say before. almost EVERY game has this tool (without asking) so there should be no Problem with laws, in fact we allowe him to do it. right here.
mfg Soulseller
votet YES every day!!
Have luck if you add it without options of no. The Germans and parts of the EU would have your balls on a plate (Laws)...
Minecraft lags like hell although i got a new Alienware PC... and an extra java process which connects all 10 minutes to your server wouldn't make it better. Java is the worst thing I've ever seen! You need a high-tech PC for playing Minecraft because on a normal PC it lags like sh**! Go learn some C++
SnooPING AS usual I see; eh Notch?
Of course you should get moar data (and for the bitchy ones add an opt-in/opt-out feature)!
Honestly I don't see why not. You could have easily added an "Opt in/Opt out" option to the game without asking anybody if they wanted it on anyways. I voted yes, but for ALL the people who say no, all you have to do is give them the choice in game. I say add it, but make the default "Opt Out" and ask the player the first time they log in with the update. Easy Peasey.
Notch,
Before thinking about snooping data from your player's clients, you should identify the questions you got and look out for less intrusive means to answer them.
I think your approach could help to tweak some algorithyms, but it is less worth the effort for any more complex questions. Depending on the insights you are looking for, it would be more efficient to set up a questionnaire and ask your players directly. Investing in a professional to do so would still be more cost efficient than setting up your data collection tool.
Kind regards,
StrangeAI
Btw: Yes and no would have been enough to answer this poll. You risk to get a distorted picture with these suggestive additions.
im reposting this
this is the guy that said it first Shadow0X3 - 7 hours ago
Oh God there is SO much intelligence on this poll. Seriously, if I distribute guns, will some of you please shoot yourselves?
-Sending a 1Kb file takes fractions on a second, so it won't slow jack shit down.
-All this does is record whether or not you hit button X in situation Y, not whether you typed in password A on website B.
-He's doing this TO MAKE THE GAME BETTER FOR US.
-Mods are supported, why do you think he's making the modding API? Why would he then contradict himself to restrict them?
-And to the community comments: Yes, your life is so important to us that we hired Notch to make a sandbox game to give him millions of dollars so we could read a 1Kb text file about how you placed a fucking dirt block.
-jay, Shut the fuck up. I'll repeat, 1KB, or ONE KILOBYTE, or the equivalent of hitting spacebar once and saving it. Not doing anything to your damn bandwidth.
Supported by me and all my friends, although I like the opt out and opt in ideas
Hey This Might Be Really Cool, I mean If Notch Could Maybe Even Video What We Do On Minecraft He Would See What Annoys Us And What We Like, Maybe He Would Even See That People (Like Me) Who Spend Hours At A time Playing The Game What They Really Dont Like Or Certain Glitches That We Find On Multiplayer, Or SinglePlayer Such As Chests Getting Suck (Hint, Hint)
Yes.
I Think this would benefit the game a lot.
No Opt-In or Opt-Out. It's Notch's game, he can do what he wants to it. To all you whiney shits out there: Shut up. Notch is not a hacker, whats he gonna do with what the general actions you do in the game? OH YEAH, Notch is going to risk getting arrested and giving up the millions he makes with how many times you press the space bar. He probably just wants to see what people do the most, (Crafting, Brewing, Mining, etc.) so he can find which to benefit and what to wait for. I mean really, do we want that thing from the Halloween update when more mobs spawn the farther down you go and it turned out being an annoyance? No. No we don't. And slight data like that could prevent that.
Yes. No opt-in or opt-out. YES.
Hey, this rhymes. Jay is gay.
Wow, guys. Come on this is getting retarded. It wont slow it down or make you look bad or something nobody cares about, so just push agree and let the whiners cry. Ps. I think there needs to be some good block updates, and updates to the iOS/android ect.
Not only they should do that, they should also find a way to anonymously track what mods people use on their game!!! :)
As long as it's optional, it's a good idea.
Oh God there is SO much intelligence on this poll. Seriously, if I distribute guns, will some of you please shoot yourselves?
-Sending a 1Kb file takes fractions on a second, so it won't slow jack shit down.
-All this does is record whether or not you hit button X in situation Y, not whether you typed in password A on website B.
-He's doing this TO MAKE THE GAME BETTER FOR US.
-Mods are supported, why do you think he's making the modding API? Why would he then contradict himself to restrict them?
-And to the community comments: Yes, your life is so important to us that we hired Notch to make a sandbox game to give him millions of dollars so we could read a 1Kb text file about how you placed a fucking dirt block.
-jay, Shut the fuck up. I'll repeat, 1KB, or ONE KILOBYTE, or the equivalent of hitting spacebar once and saving it. Not doing anything to your damn bandwidth.
Supported by me and all my friends, although I like the opt out and opt in ideas
Will it be possible to opt out of this?